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IsaacDraper -

Hello all, my five ball cascade is starting to get fairly good and I wanna start some tricks. Where should I start? I'm thinking easy peasy rather than upside down, back to front reverse Rubenstein. Thanks!

James Hennigan - - Parent

The easiest 5 ball tricks are multiplex tricks: https://youtu.be/cOpAVoLO-e0

The halfshower is probably the easiest non-multiplex trick (learn to do it with 4 if you haven't already).

The easiest siteswaps with 5 are (6x,4)*, 744 & 645 (again I recommend working on 4b siteswaps first).

I would also strongly encourage you to work on 3 balls in one hand at this point. It's essential for many 5 ball tricks, and if you choose to learn 6 it's nice if you can already do half of the pattern.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Other tricks to consider:
Walking around, turning around, sitting down & standing up, balancing on one leg, twisting your upper body, etc.

Stephen Meschke - - Parent

Congratulations on solidifying a five ball cascade! The 5b. cascade was my first juggling goal, and the pattern that really got me hooked on juggling.

Where you go from here depends on your skill level as well as your goals for juggling. I encourage you to log some of your practice sessions (in the logs section of the jugglingedge.com) so that more advanced jugglers can recommend tricks and juggling patterns that are relevant to your skill level.

If you are only interested in performance, learning 5 ball siteswaps is not the most efficient use of your time.

My goal is to juggle 7 balls for one minute, and I don't really care about performance juggling. If you are like me, you should train 3, 4, and 5 ball siteswaps. 5 ball siteswaps are considerably more difficult than the 5 ball cascade, so it's best to master some 3 and 4 ball siteswaps first.

Now is a good time to get a set of juggling clubs.

7b_wizard - - Parent

As a mix of normal\reverse throws (normal--normal--reverse--..a.s.o.), I liked "fast tennis" [animation on JWikia http://juggle.wikia.com/wiki/Tennis lower right]

ways of gripping, catching
You might wanna do a, one or some claws?
A low throw - but still a 5, just caught penguin, thrown right back in unchanged tact and 5-pattern.

multiplex
355[22]5[53]55555 - chose a 5-ball to track for throwing that 3 to land near where and when that 5 will presumably land. Then, after the hold, stack-split them right back into pattern; you can use the thumb to split them well. Just make sure, the other hand is ready to go on throwing its normal 5 right after that lower stacked ball comes in sooner, lower.
25[53]5555 - with a hold you wait for another 5 to come in and throw them right back to pattern with the same stacked throw.
7555505[53]55555 - one high 7, then you throw a 5 onto both meeting where and when they land. The stack now goes right into filling the gap back to full 5-pattern.
355[75]5055555 - a 5 and 3 meet (creating a gap where they're thrown, two beats later), thrown as high stack right back into filling all gaps to full pattern again.

s'swap
55558552 - I found straight up outside 8-s easier - away from any possible collisons.

7b_wizard - - Parent

[ff (last one, °8552°)] .. just do 855 from running cascade, stop one beat, and aim the next normal 5-throw ``over´´ the incoming 8 back to ground-pattern.

7b_wizard - - Parent

I also like how different the answers here are without overlapping!?

7b_wizard - - Parent

Just one two more remarks on extra throws or sequences from 5b-cascade ..

.. by doing an extra throw, you split the pattern into that extra throw and a rest of the normal ground pattern (consisting of 4 balls going on doing regular Fives, or - in case of multiplex - 3 balls doing regular Fives).

.. if you have a weakhand that sort of always follows while stronghand sort of leads, any extra throw will entail a following reaction of the next hand (like also ``wanting´´ to do or in fact doing higher, or also lower, or also wanting to pause on a hold, ororor, or simply gets puzzled on "Erhh.. why what how now?" at a given moment).

.. also, when doing higher throws, an 8, a 6, a 7, you have like more balls in the air than usually when doing 5b cascade where one ball has its dwelltime, one next lowest ball is spotted to catch and sort of ``done with focus on it´´, which makes it mostly three balls in the air to cope with.   With a high throw, there's then (suddenly) four balls in the air high up to be coped with.

So, one main hurdle in leaving the constant cascade to do extra throws or sequences, is to dead-stable keep the rest of the pattern in stable shape!   Rely on well aimed throws fitting back into pattern even when you seem to lose control for a few milliseconds and just let things happen instead of hesitating!

IsaacDraper - - Parent

Thanks for the replies guys. I'll get started right away! My 3b and 4b siteswaps are limited but I'm learning more. Exciting stuff!

7b_wizard -

How much do you  a c c e p t   h e l p,  hints or helpful feedback for improving? (no matter wherefrom, video tutorial, or person to person, shown or told or written, ororor)

  1. I am stubborn and want to make my own way all on my own even biting myself through plateaus. (thus doing purely my own way, maybe leading to my genuine 100% own style)
  2. I usually want to find my own way through and reject any help, but I thankfully take help when really badly stuck for a long time.
    .. or ..
    Practical feedback rather irritates or puzzles me, brings me out, so I'd generally prefer doing without.
    [ both options = can take, or want little help ]
  3. I am happy for help when I asked for or when the hint is good and applies.
  4. I am happy for any help I can get - I'll try everything out and filter what applies for me.
  5. Without constant help, always a teacher there to guide me, or a good resource (book, eBook, video tutorial series, ..) I would not a whit get anyhwere ahead.
  6. [ other .. no one helps .. \ .. help is always bad .. \ .. I'm immune against improving, no matter how good the help is .. \ .. There's nothing to improve - my 3b cascade is perfectly fluent. :o} ]

This is a competition thread which ran from 13th May 2017 to 22nd May 2017. View results.

Maria - - Parent

I voted 4, I'll try most things suggested by better jugglers, but I don't keep working on it if it's too boring (for example, I have not learned 4c fountain on singles, even though I have been told it could help improve my 4c fountain on doubles). I don't really come up with many ideas by myself, either. I mean, I can come up with a new combination of throws, but I don't really invent anything completely new.

As a club passer who usually passes with someone better than me, option 5 would not have been wrong either.

Maria - - Parent

...and I have not learned 5 ball cascade, even though I'm trying to learn 5 clubs.

Mike Moore - - Parent

I'm somewhere in the 3.5 camp. If I can be particular about the phrasing "when the hint is good and applies" to be "[...] as interpreted by some all-knowing being," then I'm comfortable with it. Sometimes I don't realize the hint is good until a while after it was given.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Hmhm, I see; maybe we can meet on "if a hint gets you thinking or rumors around in your mind not knowing what rhyme to make of it", then it can still either puzzle and irritate you beyond threshold, or else, you can be ``happy´´ on there being a new way waiting to be discovered some given time later. Or even else, it's stored somewhere in the unconscious until it pops up again at a given moment or remains there forever until the ``hard disk´´ (=memory) is cleaned and overwritten. ( Which still leaves the decision "happy or not about such an unclear hint" to you :o] ) .. but, yeah, if an all-knowing being knows before, read as: "If a hint will apply, later (and I will be happy about it, later)."

.. or just read "3." and "4." as:

3. Happy for help "under condition". (not "any and all the help you can get" unrestrictedly)
4. "Give it all over to me, I'll sort it out." = Any and all the help there might be is welcome. (without any restriction)

Basically the scale goes from 1. "no input whatsoever" over 2. "little help accepted", 3. ``Some´´ or ``a good deal´´ or "under condition" help accepted, 4. All, every, any help (more than) welcome, upto 5. "only with help, can't do without".

7b_wizard - - Parent

btw i'm not sure what to vote myself .. been through like all of the options 1. to 4. before, i think, and now it seems to "depend" on which pattern, which ajuggling (few ball stuff, e.g. Kraken, or else numbers techniques). Even 6., "I don't get info on what exactly is going in the brain and focus and where attention lays in distinct milliseconds." is partly true.

Guess I'll land on 3. or 4. too, as there's yet so much to discover (clubs, 5b s'swaps, selfthrows and fountains, more body range e.g. bbb, for me), .. why not spare time and effort by getting all and any help I can get to get where I want sooner.

Marvin - - Parent

This poll has now ended. The results are:

  1.   I am stubborn and want to make my own way all on my own even biting myself through plateaus. (thus doing purely my own way, maybe leading to my genuine 100% own style) (0 votes)
  2.   I usually want to find my own way through and reject any help, but I thankfully take help when really badly stuck for a long time.
    .. or ..
    Practical feedback rather irritates or puzzles me, brings me out, so I'd generally prefer doing without.
    [ both options = can take, or want little help ] (1 vote)
  3.   I am happy for help when I asked for or when the hint is good and applies. (4 votes)
  4.   I am happy for any help I can get - I'll try everything out and filter what applies for me. (4 votes)
  5.   Without constant help, always a teacher there to guide me, or a good resource (book, eBook, video tutorial series, ..) I would not a whit get anyhwere ahead. (0 votes)
  6.   [ other .. no one helps .. \ .. help is always bad .. \ .. I'm immune against improving, no matter how good the help is .. \ .. There's nothing to improve - my 3b cascade is perfectly fluent. :o} ] (0 votes)

Orinoco -

Lovely juggling & splashing around in a river with Neta Oren:

https://youtu.be/d77D2JroXQs

Looks like it's about 5 years old but I missed it first time round. I think this is a great example of using your surroundings in performance.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Won.der.ful.! .. Life's for free, it seems!?

ChrisD - - Parent

Thanks - original and rather fun. I hadn't seen this either, though I think Luke may have parodied it as part of his rather good 'videos in the style of the top 40 juggers'. I like her style. A quick search also produced this one, which is nice too: https://youtu.be/rxnxpY8VeTs

7b_wizard - - Parent

Impressing!   different. experimental. archaic. sound.

Orinoco -

Possible gig on the Isle of Wight if anyone is interested/available.

I've not personally heard of Area 51 before but there are a number of seasoned performers listed as on their books so I'm going to assume they are legit.

Hi,
I'm looking for 4-6 jugglers to take part in this years Isle of
Wight festival
I'm currently on the hunt for local performers who want to join the
fun!
Please let me know if this is something of interest
www.area51.co (just.co)

Many thanks
Kind Regards


If interested here are their contact details & ask for Pippin Wood.

Jason Fitzjohn -

I must add that all my nunchaku and staff spinning is purely for flow and to look amazing to an audience. I do not train for combat purposes,

Jason Fitzjohn -

Hi all,
My name is Jason and i have just signed up to the Edge.
I have been spinning nunchaku, double nunchaku, bo staff, fire staff and have just started double staff.
I am really interested in meeting and talking to others who use contact staff. Am i in the right place or is this just balls. Excuse the pun!

Orinoco - - Parent

Hi Jason, & welcome. Have you checked the clubs & events sections to see if there is anything near wherever you are yet?

7b_wizard - - Parent

Hi, Jason.

Interesting. Never got a pair of nunchucks in my hands. Would wanna throw and toss-juggle them rather than contact-handle them.

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

I read that "freestyle is a discipline of competition held by the World Nunchaku Association".

Has Nunchaku changed/moved forward (technically) since internet video?

Mike Moore -

Juggler - The Video

I'm reading some old JUGGLE magazines, and in the July/Aug 1998 the making of a documentary on who jugglers are is discussed. in the 1999 magazines, it is advertised. The advertisement reads:

JUGGLER THE VIDEO
A show and tell from the best in the world...Past and Present.

Does this video exist online? Googling hasn't worked for me.

bad1dobby - - Parent

I don't know this one - is there a list of who's in it?

The Void - - Parent

..or who produced it? There was one by Strider productions earlier in the 90s called, I think, "Juggler" or something similar. I'd guess it was that one, but not sure if you're saying it was "upcoming" in '98.

Mike Moore - - Parent

The ad says, "To order, call Sportco"
And "Presented by Eagle Entertainment Group, INC"

Mike Moore - - Parent

Yep!

Steve Brown, Hovey Burgess, Dave Finnegan, Varry Friedman, Forest Hobbs, Daniel Holzman, Sergei Ignatov, Katerina Ignatov,
Edward Jackman, and a handful of others.

bad1dobby - - Parent

Found it:
https://youtu.be/1rHk6dIoe4Q

Knew I'd seen it recently when you listed Hovey Burgess

Mike Moore - - Parent

Fantastic! Thanks so much.

bad1dobby -

Still got it...

https://youtu.be/y28jsNUhi58

Orinoco - - Parent

Hahaha! Beautiful!

The Void - - Parent

Is that you, Dobby?

bad1dobby - - Parent

No, he looks a bit like me, but I have neither the skills nor the wardrobe.

The Void - - Parent

:-)

7b_wizard - - Parent

Cool!   Impeccable footwork, too.

Little Paul - - Parent

I like the bloke standing in the garden seeming thinking "FFS bill, not this again. Can't you just get on with the job?"

Andrew Jenkins -

Hello everyone!

I'm Andrew Jenkins, President of Lancaster University's Magic and Circus Society.
I here to naturally plug the Juggling Clubs convention that runs from the 30th June- 3rd July for only £15! http://jugglingclubs2017.co.uk It is open to everyone, including under 18's!
BJC was my first convention, and spending a whole week doing the stuff I love with people who were so enthusiastic was amazing! I'd love as many of you to come and join us in Lancaster for what should be a great event!

I am currently working on a multi-card magic routine and 4 ball juggling.

The Void - - Parent

Hi Andrew,
Welcome to The Edge. Here's your hashtag #JugglingClubs2017 , to link this thread to the event's listing on The Edge.
Have fun!
Void

IsaacDraper -

Recommendations needed!

I've decided to treat myself to a new set of balls for numbers practice. I'd like something neon as it's visible in most conditions; beanbag variety; good weight and size for 5+.

What do y'all recommend?

peterbone - - Parent

For numbers beanbags I'd recommend uglies or mini uglies by Oddballs. The colours are fairly bright but not neon.
http://www.oddballs.co.uk/juggle-dream-mini-uglies-juggling-balls-p-4445.html

For anything below 8 balls I prefer a hybrid ball such as MMX and then slightly underfill them. They do some very bright colours.
http://www.oddballs.co.uk/mmx-juggling-balls-c-2420_1190_2173.html

Jazz Phab do neon beanbags, but the quality isn't as good in my opinion.
http://www.jazzphab.co.uk/products-page/juggling-balls/uv-rollunds-2/

IsaacDraper - - Parent

Thanks for your reply. I happened across some uglies in a juggling shop and tried them and they're great so I got 7!

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