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Monte -

Merry Christmas everyone. May your turkey be moist and your roast potatoes be crispy.

Little Paul - - Parent

Merry Christmas Monte, it was and they were :)

Monte - - Parent

Duck fat? (Not a spoonerism)

Little Paul - - Parent

Good old fashioned lard :)

DavidCain -

Okay. Here's my Christmas gift to the juggling community: the 4 part video tour of the Museum of Juggling History.
https://youtu.be/UG5MayaQ72Q
https://youtu.be/2wcdrTT0ivw
https://youtu.be/R--80rwRmxU
https://youtu.be/jYfFVyVYYco

Kelhoon - - Parent

Thanks David,

I've finally finished watching all 4, I quite enjoyed them.

Two (hopefully) constructive comments:

1) Use a high resolution scanner to digitise all that printed material and upload it somewhere, make sure it goes in to the wayback machine (aka archive.org)
2) You had some good stories about most of the exhibits, write them down, print them out and put them beside the respective exhibit.

If I ever visit the US again, I think I'd quite enjoy stopping by to check the museum out in person.

Cheers,

Juggle on,

Kelhoon

Little Paul - - Parent

It’s taken me ages to find the time to watch all four of these, but I’m glad I got to it eventually. I knew you had a lot of kit, but hadn’t really appreciated just how much!

I hope I’ll get to see it it person at some point!

Dee -

Just to let those of you who are interested in #EJC2018 but who are not that active on facebook; the ejc2018.org website is now live with additional information (scroll down).

Dee - - Parent

Another heads up. A limited pre-registration offer of an adult's week ticket for €100 has gone live (only 250 of these available)..

Follow the links on ejc2018.org for access to the preregistration system.

If you are pre-registering, remember to select which gala show you want to attend. You should receive a confirmation of order email from prereg at eja.net (so check your spam just in case). This is not a confirmation of payment email, so please read it carefully!

Please keep any confirmation of payment information for your records.

Enjoy the rest of the festive season.

ropingfool - - Parent

Well grr, just missed the first 250. So, since we'll all be heading out for the same week, and we're thinking of booking now, I offer the following in the hope that jugglers can snarf the cheapest seats. Things might get busy when the EJC tickets go on sale on 20 Jan.

I have just booked flights and after several hours of shopping around, I'm reasonable happy that shopping around was worth the effort. Tricks like this are generally well known if you're trying to get cheap flights, but the cost differences seem particularly huge for getting out to PDL in July. I hate Ryanair and STN is a sod to get to from Oxford, so I really don't regard that as an option.

My other half and I are flying out on TP6520, the direct LGW-PDL flight on the 21st. R's a non-juggler, so she'll fly back on the 28th July and I'm flying back on Sun 5th August. TP 6519 runs direct PDL-LGW on the 28th July and the 4th Aug, but it's always a bit sad leaving early) so I'm flying back via OPO and spending the night in Porto so I can look around the city before getting an evening flight back to LGW on the Monday.

These direct LGW-PDL flights only run on Saturdays. TP6520 arrives at 23:20, which is a bit late, but the convenience and low cost more than covers a taxi fare, I think - Dee, d'you reckon the EJC orgs can lay on a shuttle to meet this flight?

Obviously, these flights will be popular with UK based jugglers, not just because they're direct but ALSO, as they're run by SATA (aka Azores) - YOU GET A CHECK-IN BAG INCLUDED IN THE FARE - which is important for those of us with lots of props. If you're quick, you should be able to get a return flight for well under £200. R's ticket was £169, mine with the stopover was just over £200, but I needed to add a check-in bag for the OPO-LGW leg (£33ish), so it came to £236. However if you try book directly via TAP or SATA, they'll try to charge you over £400.

The incantation seems to be this: search for the flight on Kayak or skyscanner (or another search engine). You should get various options at sub £200 prices. The cheapest reputable bookers seem to be Opodo and lastminute - you might get a cheaper offer from TravelUP, but I suggest that you read their reviews before being tempted to use them, and then don't use them.

Though they're Azores/SATA flights, it seems that you have to book using the TAP codeshare, not the "real" Azores/SATA codes. To achieve my longer stopover in Porto on the way back, I had to get into Opodo from skyscanner, then change the search details within Opodo. If you try to search or amend within Opodo without having first been redirected from a search engine, you'll just get expensive (>£400) and downright silly prices (>£1,400).

It's worth trying a couple of different search engines - booking my fare with Opodo via skyscanner was over £10 cheaper than Opodo via Kayak. There's no consistency, other Opodo fares were cheaper via Kayak. In your web browser, create a separate private / incognito window for each search (or diligently clear your cookies between each search).

Even when we've got all the cheap seats on TP6520/6519, the indirect options via OPO and LIS will probably still work out cheaper: the Portugal - Azores legs will still be SATA codeshared by TAP (i.e. a 4 digit code like TP6xxx).

Finally, Azores seems to have a generous attitude towards "sports equipment" - you can get an extra weight allowance for anyone wanting to fly out a unicycle. Check the web site. I successfully tried this with BA a few years ago. You'll probably find that unis don't appear on the standard list along with bikes and golf clubs, but they were fine about it it as long as it was well wrapped up.

Phew. If anyone else feels like booking now, let us know how you get on.

Dee - - Parent

I'll contact the organising team regarding hiring a minibus for collection at the airport on the Saturday of arrival. As they tend to have lots to do, I'll be asking them for email contact details [easier to organise and can get google translate to help with translation issues] so that we can arrange it ourselves. If they have suggested email contacts for taxis, this may be the way to go. It worked quite well for those on the late arriving flights into Lublin last summer.

I'm planning on being on that flight (but on the 28th rather than the week before). There should be several of us on the same flight, and a mini-bus [or 7 seater car] may be the easiest way.

Dee - - Parent

Update: cost of taxi to the site, at night with luggage, from the airport is about €30 (or possibly a little more). They will get back to me with contact details for taxis etc nearer the date.

Dee - - Parent

Remember that the next tranche of tickets for #EJC2018 go on sale on January 20th for €120.

Little Paul -

Not strictly speaking juggling, but you're the sort of people who may be able to help.

I'm looking for a reliable UK supplier of qualatex 260q modelling balloons. We've ordered two batches recently from different sellers on amazon, the first sent us balloons with a best before date of 2013 (not great for a natural latex product, but I went with it at the time as it was only to amuse my nices/nephew - and I just put up with the high burst rate)

However, the more recent seller subbed in a different brand of balloons to that which was advertised. That sales are being dealt with via the appropriate returns procedure, but having bitten twice now, I want a reliable supplier with a reasonable enough turnover of stock that I'm not going to be shipped something that's 4 years past its best before date.

Ideally I want somewhere that carries stock of the single colours, but I'll take a standard entertainer mix.

Any ideas?

It's Him - - Parent

Do you have any mates in Bristol who are balloon modellers? Or do any of the local entertainers know a local balloon modeller? People who do it regularly tend to buy in large quantities (as it is quite a bit cheaper) e.g. I tend to buy 50 entertainers assortment bags per order (and occasionally some single colours as blues and pinks are more popular). This lasts me about 6 months and I don't do that much balloon modelling so someone who is much more into it will have a quicker turnover.

Nigel

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Last time I looked, which was quite a while ago, Pioneer were the UK distributors for Qualatex. They were always quick and efficient with me. Or I could just give you some.

Little Paul - - Parent

As far as I can tell Pioneer (or at least that particular Pioneer) are a US outfit, however it simply hadn't occurred to me to look for a list of distributors on the Qualatex website.

They list quite a few UK distributors (although unfortunately none in Bristol) so I might go down that route.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Likewise, it didn't occur to me to examine my inbox for unread spam from the buggers. Graham Lee is the chap to speak to - graham@balloonchat.co.uk - or use his Qualatex addy - graham@qualatexballoons.co.uk

But I expect you're ahead of the curve by now.

Little Paul - - Parent

I’m all sorted now, thanks to you and Nigel for the help!

charlieh -

Please keep an eye on eBay, Gumtree etc. (in the UK) for the following: 6 x K8 Glow Clubs, 6 x Henry's Juggling Clubs with European Decor in Yellow/Green Sparkle. 3 x Dube Juggling knives and a Nils Pol Manipulator hat in Red & Black + a load of juggling beanbags etc!
Pinched by some scumbag from John Caudrey in the last few days. Happened to me many years ago but I recovered a lot of it from eBay due to a juggler spotting it (I've never met who it was) - so hopefully we can do the same for John, who is a good chap.

Stephen Meschke - - Parent

Does John have gear to train with? I don't want him to lose valuable training time because someone stole his juggling props.

Can you explain why someone would do this? I have been able to come up with only three motives, and none are remotely logical.

The first motive that I could think of is for financial gain. There are several flaws in this plan though; the props are unique and easily identifiable, the market is small and well connected, and jugglers are not known for great wealth.

The second motive that I could think of is to simply gain possession and use of the juggling props. This doesn't make a lot of sense either. Juggling is already psychologically challenging enough, the negative karma of using stolen props would make the mental aspect of juggling nearly impossible.

A third possible motive is that someone just wants John to stop juggling. For example, if John trains 6 clubs in his second story apartment around dinner time, the neighbor directly below him may have an issue with the noise. I don't believe this is the case though, because his quiet manipulation hat was also stolen.

charlieh - - Parent

I'm sure John has other stuff to use, he's been doing this a while.

You're overthinking this a little as well: the scumbags who did this will simply have broken into his van in the hope it contained something they could sell, grabbed what they could and legged it. Don't assume they considered their motives and actions in any detail. It's quite possible they'll dump some of the stuff if they decide it won't fetch much, or stick it on an auction site in the hope they'll make some cash. My reason for posting is that a similar thing happened to me and I was lucky enough to get some of the kit back from whoever was selling it on eBay.

Little Paul - - Parent

What Charlie said, they probably don’t even know what they stole. They’ll have been in “grab it all, work out what’s worth something later” mode

Chances are they’ll try and pass it on at a car boot sale, or via eBay, or they’ll just hoik it over a hedge somewhere just to get rid of it.

I hope John isn’t going to have to cancel any gigs because if it.

lukeburrage -

Here's a video the juggling history nerds might enjoy:

https://youtu.be/x4XQBcBhgfM

Yup, almost 24 minutes on a single juggling trick! But one of the most famous bits of juggling. Never before has it been so easy to compare different versions of the Brunn Finish Combination Trick.

Thanks to David Cain for sharing some never-before-published clips from Freddy Kenton and Johnny Joannides. A list of (most of) the source videos can be found over on my blog: http://www.lukeburrage.com/blog/archives/2613

Daniel Simu - - Parent

"might"!?

Thanks for the research, the compiling and the sharing! Good luck with the practicing and building!

Colin E. - - Parent

That's a great video - thanks Luke. I've always loved Ernest Montego's version

lukeburrage - - Parent

I learned last night that in Spanish, or at least in South America, the trick is known as "the combination twelve trick" which, I'm sure, is a reference to the number of objects Brunn catches from his assistant at the start. Maybe it should be "the combination thirteen trick".

The Void - - Parent

Bored on a cruise, were you? :-)

lukeburrage - - Parent

I wanted to learn some combination trick things, so looked into the ultimate version of it. As in, how should it be done, not just how I would do it from memory. Then, of course, I discovered how many different ways it could be done. Then I wanted to work out what the minimum viable version of the trick might be but still qualify as "the brunn finish".

I concluded:
- minimum 9 props, to at least match the earliest version of Piccinelli and Brunn.
- the trick is about ball spinning, ring whirling, juggling, and balancing, all at the same time.
- must include a ball spun on a finger, objects juggled in the other hand, a ball on a mouth pedestal/mouthstick, a ball on a head pedestal balance, and at least one ring whirling on a leg/foot.
- if any above element is missing, it must be "made up for" by inclusion of more props/elements added elsewhere.

The version of the trick that has most elements is Ernst Montego's. The version which is closest to the line of not being included was Michael Chirrick's as there is no balance of a prop involved, and unlike Albert Lucas he doesn't make up for it by performing while on ice skates or similar. But he does have four rings whirling, which means he's not slacking elsewhere.

Only after I put the video together did I notice that mine is the only version where two feet are on the ground. In my defence, I've learned this to put in my second show on cruise ships for when the ship is moving so much in high seas that I can't do my rola bola finale. You can only tell the stage is moving in the video clip because the curtains are swaying in the background. Even standing on one leg is too much in that situation, so I'm not sure if I'll ever bother to learn it so I can perform it on one leg.

Mike Moore -

A couple videos and a clip

I'm never sure whether I should post my juggling videos here, but this one seems like it's high enough energy to give people a laugh: https://www.instagram.com/p/BcfnSoVn-ma/

I've also put out a Youtube video this and last month:
The better one: https://youtu.be/90Yseu8OdQc
The boring one: https://youtu.be/xP0VlzdjlEo (but still worth making, in my opinion)

Time to get them up on juggling.tv!

Rolf -

Hi Forum,
nice to be here, greetings to all you members of the juggling community.
We are going to celebrate the 30th Birthday of our juggling club in Hagen/Germany on January the 27th. We can't figure out the exact birthday anymore (we think we're late in January...), and the club never changed place, day or time in all these years. Exept on Christmas or New Years Evening the meeting is on every Monday.
We are going to have a show and a party, so if anyone is around this weekend, pop in!

The Void - - Parent

Hey Rolf,
Welcome to The Edge.
Hashtagging this thread to your club: #HagenJugglingClubKulturzentrumPelmke
30 years is awesome for a club to still be going. I was last in Hagen 33 years ago though, so I guess I "just" missed you.
Ciao!

Lina Johansson -

We are looking for broken juggling equipment to form part of the set-design for Mimbre's next show The Exploded Circus. In particular we're looking for juggling clubs, rings and balls, but other weird and wonderful things will be appreciated too! See http://mimbre.co.uk/broken-equipment-wanted-well-give-it-a-home-and-love-in-our-new-show/ for full wanted list!

Will of course pay for postage or arrange to be picked up. For the right things we could also negotiate a price.
Please comment here or email lina@mimbre.co.uk if you have anything suitable.

Thank you!
Lina

Cedric Lackpot -

A glossary of juggling terminology - does such a thing exist?

In this subthread over on Reddit someone has asked for a glossary of modern juggling, and to my surprise I realised that I'm not sure such a thing exists, not an authoritative one anyway. Can any Edgizens prove me wrong please? Or suggest some good places for a curious Redditor to start looking? David Cain do you perhaps have some suggestions?

peterbone - - Parent

I think it was our God Emperor who created this one. Seems quite thorough.
https://www.twjc.co.uk/glossary.html

Dee - - Parent

Although I would question "Backdrop"; to me that is what is behind you - in terms of filming or performing (so, do your props contrast sufficiently with the backdrop or do they blend in?) [I would definitely include that as an alternative meaning]

Otherwise, its a pretty good start on a juggling glossary, it maybe requiring a bit of updating in terms of references to people (perhaps, to make it a bit more timeless, I would omit living people from the glossary)

Orinoco - - Parent

Yeah, I couldn't find anything comprehensive when I looked either, which was what prompted me to compile that page.

It's been a while since I've added anything to that page, I think the last addition was buugeng.

I have added the extra definition for backdrop. I've also removed most of the living jugglers from view. I've left in those who I feel are more famous for a contribution they have made to juggling culture rather than for who they are.

New suggestions are always welcome. Any glaring ommissions from the past few years that I should include?

Mike Moore - - Parent

Box and an inverted modifier!

peterbone - - Parent

Squeeze catch

Orinoco - - Parent

Both terms added, & inverse too which is related. Suggestions for less clunkily worded definitions also welcome!

lukeburrage - - Parent

"Combat: US term for Gladiators" should be "Gladiators: the British term for combat".

Orinoco - - Parent

Yeah, I suppose you are right, it does seem to be a purely British term now. I wonder when that changed? I clearly remember it being announced as gladiators during the games at the EJC in 2002.

& is it a 3 club specific thing? I don't think I've ever heard the term 'unicycle combat' for example.

lukeburrage - - Parent

Gladiators is more of a generic term for "the last person doing this prop/skill with contact between participants allowed" so unicycle gladiators is usually still a thing. Also hoop gladiators or ball-on-head gladiators.

Combat is for three clubs and three balls.

charlieh - - Parent

I think it changed when too many people started using the wrong word.

The Void - - Parent

*spills coffee laughing*

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