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7b_wizard -

What's the longest toss-juggling endurance you ever did?

(no matter which pattern, which prop)

  1. I don't really endure anything
  2. less than a minute
  3. between 1 and 3 min
  4. between 3 and 5 min
  5. between 5 and 10 min
  6. between 10 and 30 min
  7. between 30 min and 1 h
  8. between 1 and 4 h
  9. marathon, more than 4 h


I hope to find - if many of us vote - how popular or common enduring even is (and for how long).

Competition type: Poll
Closing date: 17th Nov 2017
Select option to vote

It's Him - - Parent

About 25 years ago I worked for a juggling stall that had a competition which was to juggle 3 x 1.5 Kg Splats as long as possible. I think the winner was about 45 minutes. Shortly after that I tried to match that time with 3 x 1 Kg Absolutes. I matched it but killed my wrists doing it and suffered from tendonitis for quite a while. I'm not sure that endurance is necessarily the way to go but it made for an interesting competition.

Nigel

Daniel Simu - - Parent

What are Splats and Absolutes? I know Absolute rings but they are definitely not 1kg :p

The Void - - Parent

Big beanbags.

Ameron Rosvall - - Parent

Sounds very painful, can kinda relate, though what you did must have been worse. I did 3 beanbags with wrist weights for 1 hour once, beanbags were just 200g each and weights were 1.5kg each. Still very exhausting.

Mike Moore - - Parent

Longest endurances have been my worst dropless joggling races

Maria - - Parent

I did my longest endurance when I had only juggled for two years. It was 20 minutes of 3 clubs cascade. I'm not planning on doing any longer endurance of any pattern.

7b_wizard - - Parent

°oupps° .. a logical inconsistency in the poll again: ..ever did? versus 1. ..don't really now..

Please read ( 1. I don't really endure anything ) as "1. I never really endured anything."!

Maria - - Parent

That is how I understood it.
I was thinking, though... If you want to find out how popular endurance is, it might also be interesting to know if people are planning/hoping to achieve longer runs in the future, and how long. I have no desire to spend a lot of time trying to get as long runs as possible any more, but I would like to be able to do patterns for, like, 5 minutes or something. But I guess that wouldn't really count as endurance, it would more be about getting the pattern really solid.

7b_wizard - - Parent

I'm not planning to do anything longer than my 3b 12 minutes. Yes, especially for important basic patterns, 5 minutes is pretty much okay for me too. Yet, with 5 min x 60 sec x ~5~6 throws/sec = ~1,500 throws, that I got near to once only with 5 balls, I still don't feel like really having ``mastered´´ the pattern, it's far from ``like walking´´. So either I'll have to get more runs over 1,000 or indeed do many more throws and minutes. But it's sooo time intensive while learning tricks and other patterns instead is much more rewarding (and hard and challenging enough and worthwhile too).

Maria - - Parent

I have not been close to 5 minutes with any other pattern than 3 objects cascade yet. Could probably do it with a basic passing pattern with the right partner (6 clubs 4-count, 2-count or 3-count). Solo patterns... maybe 423 could work.
I'm definitely not even close with 4 objects, my personal record being just a little bit over 200 catches. But that might actually be a bit of an endurance thing, I do get tired when juggling 4 clubs. Arms starting to get tired before 100 catches, and my pulse is definitely high, too.

Yeah, it's more fun to learn new tricks and patterns than spending lots of time on the ones that already kind of works.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Mine was 12+ minutes of 3b cascade.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

2360c of 5b. that would be about 10m I suppose

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

1 - 3 minutes..

7b_wizard -

Hi everyone,
what are single things or tricks or gimmicks or moves that you only rarely - about once or twice per day or less and only one attempt or at most two or max three - take a chance on? During practise or with everyday objects.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Those tend to be tricks that I hit 90% of the time so I don't need to practice them, but they do take effort so I don't do them every other second. A scorpion kick, or an ass catch, things like that I guess.

DavidCain -

I thought that there might be a number here who would find this article interesting.
https://www.juggle.org/birds-tree-trick/
David Cain

The Void - - Parent

At least one. Thanks.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Nice read, nice watch.

Little Paul - - Parent

Damn you. Now I have to learn that.

There goes the next year of my life

It's Him - - Parent

Learn it Paul so that I don't have to!

Nigel

Little Paul - - Parent

Race you

It's Him - - Parent

This is actually a project I think should be fairly doable. Let us set some criteria and we can certainly make this a race. How many birds being the first criteria, 5 like David or should we go for a more tree like structure? I can see that anything behind the balance would be a bugger to hit. Are we restricting size of weapon launcher? Is there any restrictions on weaponry? I was thinking of using nerf bullets as I have a bunch and they should be easy to use and safe for an audience. Anything else?

Nigel

Little Paul - - Parent

In my head, I'm making the structure out of PVC plumbing pipe, because it's cheap and easy to work with (and fairly easy to break down for storage/transport)

Details I've not worked out in my head:
* What to make the birds out of - David, I like the look of yours, what are they made from?
* How many to go for - 5 seems like it might be a nice number. 3 doesn't seem like enough, 7 seems like too many, even numbers are invalid
* Size of weapon launcher "don't take the piss" - if it's long enough that the end is only 1" away from the easiest bird that's too long.

In terms of ammunition, I'm not sure. I have access to plenty of nerf darts, but in my head it should be a proper "peashooter" - but then by the same measure it appears to be terribly difficult to obtain a traditional peashooter on amazon/ebay

The nerf solution would be more visual, safer, easier to clear up etc, so is probably more practical.

All in, it looks like a much easier trick to get a handle on than that damn candle trick.

It's Him - - Parent

I am looking at 4 ltr milk bottles as a suitable substance for the birds. I did like the ones David had but wasn't sure whether he just artistic or he found something suitable. I'm not sure whether to go for a thinner, wooden construction rather than pipe. I also need to spend a lot more time on a forehead balance as I normally chin balance. I'll see what I can cobble together and where that takes us. I'm thinking either Bath or BJC next year for the results to be shown. I will definitely be at BJC but Bath is dependant on work.

Nigel

Little Paul - - Parent

I’m a habitual chin/nose balancer (for everything other than the golf club trick obviously) so I think the forehead thing is going to need work too.

I went to juggling tonight for some forehead balance practice, and I’m so out of shape at the moment my knees started playing up.

It did strike me though, this is the ideal time of year to start working on this trick, what with fake trees being available at reasonably low cost in all the shops at the moment...

It's Him - - Parent

Yesterday I went to B&Q and picked up a tree for £4 and some of the cups that furniture coasters sit on (4 for £2.90). I now need to mutilate the tree and do some drilling as well as make some plastic birds. On Wednesday head balance practice was 30 - 60 seconds on my best attempts (as opposed to multiple minutes on a chin balance). So this is definitely a long term project even though it seemed simple in scope.

Nigel

Orinoco - - Parent

I feel the world needs to see two performers facing off on a Renegade stage trying to shoot each others' birds.

DavidCain - - Parent

Hello Gentlemen. The birds I used were just sketches of birds printed on card stock with one half of a table tennis ball taped to the bottom of each, so that they could perch on their "nests". I truly think the easiest way to do it is to get a golf umbrella, remove the nylon fabric, and use the metal arms as the branches. Print out the birds on card stock, bend them down the middle, and put them on the branches. A nerf blow gun or even cheaper alternative works just fine. If you want me to send you a word document with the bird sketch, just let me know the email address to send it to. I'm glad I've been able to resurrect such a fun and completely silly trick.
David

It's Him - - Parent

Hi David,

Can you please send me that sketch to (my name)AT its him dotcodotuk (no spaces or capitals in there)

Nigel

DavidCain - - Parent

Here's a link for anyone to get the bird sketch. I should have just done this in the first place.
http://historicaljugglingprops.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Bird.jpg

Orinoco - - Parent

I'm guessing that's not to scale. What's the wingspan of your finished birds?

DavidCain - - Parent

21.5 cm

Orinoco - - Parent

Thanks. In which case printing this pdf document onto A4 should result in a suitable sized bird.

Dan the Hat -

Anyone have any info on the Dave Finnegan Jugglebug badges? I have some and want to know if anyone out there would be interested in buying them? Thanks.

The Void - - Parent

*Any* info? Well, IIRC, you could earn them by being able to perform certain tricks as described in his book The Complete Juggler. I think you had to post off for them. Can't remember if there was a fee.

Mike Moore -

Antipodism with a head stand

I'll take things I'd never seen for $400, Alex:

https://www.facebook.com/jose.hugo.102/posts/10210487010914965

(Worth the FB link. Worked on private browsing without a login)

Orinoco - - Parent

Wow, that is pretty special.

lukeburrage - - Parent

Is it wrong that I mainly notice the clothing choices?

Daniel Simu - - Parent

I train in the same space where Jose recorded this. He also has a pretty solid 4 clubs, which I think is even more insane!

7b_wizard - - Parent

Queer skill, queer onsight. Awesome!

bad1dobby - - Parent

I've seen a few examples of inverted antipodism, but if memory serves they were all in head-to-head balance.

Except for Rastelli:
https://youtu.be/mowNKg1vhl8?t=1m49s
(in case the time link doesn't embed, jump to 1:49)

Daniel Simu - - Parent

There is plenty of handstand antipodism. For example that clip Violetta kiss spinning a staff while doing a one arm on Alexander?

bad1dobby - - Parent

Yes, I totally messed up what I was trying to say - I meant head-balance antip.

You are absolutely right - lots of handstands.

Mike Moore - - Parent

Thanks for this (and the David Cain) link!

bad1dobby - - Parent

Excellent article from David Cain on the related area of inverted juggling:
https://www.juggle.org/inverted-toss-and-bounce-juggling/

David Cain, if you're reading this, the photo of Reverhos doing 5 clubs in practice has disappeared.

The Void - - Parent

More Rodolfo Reyes just popped up on JTV:
http://juggling.tv/16698

MerelW -

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Marvin -

The Green Eggs Report for October 2017 is now available. Last month 36 people made 131 posts containing 38 links. See past reports.

Lisa Dale -

Hello, first time user, looking forward to the possibilities. Juggling Love :)

Maria - - Parent

Hi Lisa! :) Welcome to The Edge, nice to see you here.

Orinoco - - Parent

Welcome aboard! What sort of juggling are you into?

Dee - - Parent

Welcome to the Edge Lisa... thanks for supplying me with coffee at the EJC!

It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on EJCs (and what sort of thoughts you have had post the organising workshop hosted by the EJA).

Cedric Lackpot -

Three person vertax dragon diabolo.

Nothing particularly special but I've never seen a diabolo fitted with a streamer before so I thought I'd share. If you slow it down to 1/8 speed you can see that it's a one-sided/lop-sided diabolo they are using. I imagine the streamer has huuuuge potential to get in the way.

https://gfycat.com/DangerousAlienatedBat

Daniel Simu -

Not all juggling, but I wanted to share what I've been up to with you guys any way. I hope you enjoy this quick promo video :)

https://youtu.be/jm00mrnaDrk

bad1dobby - - Parent

Nice 'feet hook' in the table routine - is that your own invention? I'm familiar with the move a la Swing Bros, but I've not seen it done by both together.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Funny that you mention the table routine, which is fairly common. The ladder routine on the contrary is completely original, as far as we are aware nobody has ever worked with that kind of structure!

I checked with my partner Berl, but he doesn't remember if he invented it (with his previous partner Thijs) or if he took it from somewhere. They were mostly self thought, so I'd say there is a good chance they made it up, but it isn't too hard so wouldn't more people have made it up too?

bad1dobby - - Parent

What can I say? New moves excite me more than new apparatus. ;) I'd love to see your ladder routine though.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Secret link for underground community coming up:

https://youtu.be/l6Q91M46uYI

bad1dobby - - Parent

Nice! The see-saw is an excellent addition to the genre.

Not sure if you're looking for feedback. I had a couple of thoughts - I'll drop them in an email.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

I'm still waiting for your email :p

Dee - - Parent

I really enjoyed that. Perhaps not as much as some of the children, they were properly "into it".

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Thanks Dee! I wouldn't expect anyone watching the video to get really "into it", it's a thing best seen live. If the adults are not going to laugh about us, they will laugh about the children falling over the edge of the ring, making sure that everyone gets "it" in the end ;)

Little Paul - - Parent

I enjoyed that a lot

7b_wizard - - Parent

Wow! .. when it became dangerous, I watched mouth open like a 5yo.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Thanks for all the responses guys, I hadn't expected so much encouragement on a juggling forum :p.

And yes, unlike many skills which I have performed, this one is as (or even more) dangerous as it looks, haha

7b_wizard - - Parent

Aside from admiring the high saults/jumps an' all, I particularly wondered if you don't clinch/clamp your hand between the two ladders when they clap together while you're holding onto one? Is there enough space in between or did you have to train to grip right in order to not pinch your hand?

7b_wizard - - Parent

*("saults/jumps") - STUNTS ! .. I wanted to say stunts!

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Which moment do you mean? In the seesaw finale? There is no moment when our hands are at risk

7b_wizard - - Parent

Meant 3:33, where you walk all over the whole seesaw and land in handstand on it, and also 3:59, always when the seesawing ladder claps on the standing part.

7b_wizard - - Parent

.. also 4:03. And it's rather Berl, I reckon.

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