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Last night we had a good attendance of ten at TWJC. Three new people two of whom had a bit of juggling experience.
But the highlight of the evening was a Poi workshop, eight of us joined in and learnt lots of different ways of giving yourself bruises.
We are thinking of doing a TWJC Poi renegade act at bjc but only if Jon joins us.
I am also now managing to free mount my freeliners and not doing the splits as much.
It was a lot of fun. I have to thank Nicola for teaching me lots of new tricks. Can't wait to show Jon :)
Twjc update. On Tuesday we had eight attend which is very good as lately we have only been getting six on seven. One new guy who has been juggling on and off for over 20 years.
I am making slow progress with my bounce juggling, I got asked to stop by the vicar a few weeks ago as noise of the bouncing was to loud and he could hear it in the church next door.Also slowly improving on my free-liners.
Archie is getting taller week by week, he is 15 and has to duck when he comes in the door.
I am writing this as the god emperor and our chief of propaganda has not been to twjc for some months due to work commitments.
First night back after the Christmas break. It was a good turnout, particularly nice to see Paul making the effort to hobble in on crutches. Catherine was our new year's resolution newbie. She took Kevin's immediate
criticism feedback well & showed good progress over the evening. I tried to help Louisa (not Laura) to synch her knee and arm actions correctly with the kendama. I don't think she quite got there but there was improvement. Archie was also kendamaing with a mini kendama, which I was pleased to aeroplane on the first attempt, then Archie had several unsuccessful attempts before doing the typical teenager thing of announcing, "I give up" before landing it on the next attempt. Kev hit his hatstand trick 3 times out of 4. Nicola's club passing is coming on well predominantly due to getting her selves down to a more manageable level, which is less funny for me but very satisfying.
London Juggling Clubs
(probably more words than necessary, but there is a summary at the end, if you want to just read that)
After seeing someone ask about juggling clubs in London, I thought I'd best investigate. Maybe evaluate them with objective criteria like; venue ceiling height, friendliness, turn out, club passing opportunity, quality of the tea and biscuits, after juggle drinkage.
Monday was University College London (near Euston), the ceiling height in the portico was great, the North Cloister the next week not so tall. The outstanding thing was how friendly they were considering I hadn't met any of them before, turn out was 7 or 8, there was a variety of props being used, did some club passing, They had a large bag of props you could use and lots more stuff in a cage by the gym. There was no tea and cake, but luckily I had brought a flask of tea just in case. Another stroke of luck was the after juggling drinks were at the student union where drinks are £1 on a Monday night. #UCLJC
Tuesday could have been Spinning@, but I have been there before and found it to be one of the unfriendliest juggling clubs I have been to, maybe I had the wrong props or perhaps they don't like newcomers. The venue is quite cramped and has low ceiling, but I have read they are looking for a new venue so the space might improve. I decided I didn't want to go there again #spinningtheragfactory
Then I noticed that TWJC was the same distance away (time-wise) as Spinning@ from London so I decided to go there. I have for some reason read a lot about TWJC over the years so thought it might be interesting to visit it. There proved to be a few things missing on the TWJC website; like the fact that Tunbridge Wells Juggling Club isn't actually in Tunbridge Wells and consequently nowhere near Tunbridge Wells train station, there is no information on how to get to the club by public transport nor does it mention there is a car park accessed via Vale Road - to save you spending ages trying to find on-street parking nearby. If you were looking for faults with the website you could point out that the googlemap pointer on the site takes you the vicarage (100' away) not the hall, but as I am not looking for faults I will try not to mention that. There was a very nice TW Juggling Club sign in the hedge, which I am sure is easier to spot in daylight. Anyhow the venue is a good space, it is a friendly club, (I might have met one or two of the members before). There was club passing to be had. There was maybe half a dozen people, though they told me had I been there last week there would have been loads of people. I asked what time tea and biscuits happened and was disappointed to hear they didn't, my trusty flask of tea came to my rescue again. They had a case full of props you could use, some more fragile than others. After juggling we went to a Tunbridge Wells style pub, with delicacies such as home made jam and chutneys for sale and flowers on the tables.. #twjc
Wednesday is Oddballs Juggling Club in Camden, and they had Cake!! It may have been shop bought and yet again there was no tea, but this was a definite improvement. They had a good venue with high ceiling, about a dozen people there with various props. As well as the faces I recognised, they were friendly and there was kit you could use. Slightly unnerving was all the pins on the floor, maybe the room had been used by amateur acupuncturists or voodoo doll makers the session before. Did some very enjoyable club passing. On the way out I saw the police had taken my advice and lifted their blockade that had hindered my way to the juggling club, but no one was going for an after juggle drink. #OddballsClub
Thursday, I was tipped off there is a Juggling Club at King's College, London so I went to look it for it, not the easiest to find though the Student Union desk were very helpful. They do suffer the fate of many university societies that there venue is taken away from them at very short (if any) notice and consequently sessions get cancelled. The session is only an hour so not much chance to socialise, the venue is not huge and is upstairs. They had a turn out of maybe 10 people, many of them diabolists. Some fun club passing was made more exciting by having an open window just behind my partner, so any misbegotten clubs could find themselves falling to the road by London Bridge Station. They had a bag full of kit you could use and were planning society activities. There was no time for tea or biscuits, carrying a flask of tea was looking like being an essential part of juggling kit. Didn't appear to be any after juggling drinking happening, but I met a very good juggling friend there which was a definite bonus. #KCLCircusSkillsSociety
Friday according to some sources is Imperial Juggling Club, sadly I could not find them and the student union office closes on an evening so was of no use (I had been spoiled by the over helpful SU at Kings College). Luckily there are some museums nearby open late on Friday evening with splendidly high ceilings - sadly the security guards were not of the same opinion to the museum's appropriateness as a juggling space. They do have a café selling tea and cake, but is cheaper if you bring your own flask of tea. Considering their attitude to juggling in the museums I was not surprised to be the only person juggling there, didn't find any other jugglable kit to borrow.
I didn't go to All Saints Highgate on Sunday this time, but I have gone there the year before last, about 4 or 5 friendly jugglers, fabulous high ceiling and plenty of club passing. No tea or biscuits. #highgate
I did pop in to couple of juggling clubs on my way northwards to confirm this juggling with tea and biscuits/cake is not just a myth created by the Bristolian juggling community. And both Leeds Juggling Club (Hullabaloo) and York Juggling Club had tea, biscuits and chocolate cake (there was some discourse whether the cake was genuinely homemade)
So to summarise:
UCL: Monday Good ceiling height, very friendly, club passing, cheap after juggling drinks
TWJC: Tuesday Good space, friendly, club passing, posh after juggling drinks
Oddballs: Wednesday, good height, cake, club passing
KCL: Thursday, small space, short session, club passing
Don't try to juggle in museums or take your own tea into the café if you don't want to be asked to leave.
Highgate: Sunday, great height, club passing
If you are going juggling in London is best to take your own tea.
That's a great review - thank you. Not surprised about the Spinning Place being least friendly - it's all that cool they're trying to cultivate.
No drink after Oddballs? It's clearly all gone a bit downhill since I was last there...
Drinks were me and Karl and a maximum of one other every week until Karl went back to Germany. Not been able to convince anyone else to become a 'regular' pub goer. One of the hindrances to this may be the £5 pint price tag in our 'regular' pub.
Real shame really as I tried unsuccessfully for a while to keep this going. Numbers are good and the club is still very social until 9:30 when they just all leave and go home.
Sorry about the pins Miark. Not a usual occurrence.
Interesting what you say about Spinning@ ... I have a friend who used to go to Spinning@, and after moving to Bristol tried out the Altern8 Monday night juggling club that I go to. She didn't like it, and said it was very unfriendly and cliquey, and found it to be the complete opposite of Spinning@. Whereas I find Altern8 to be very friendly.
I think the take-home message is:
This is so true. "Cliquey" is a thing that happens exactly because a group of people are being super friendly with one another, and for whatever reason someone else perceives themselves as being on the outside of that.
It's exactly the "super friendly" feeling juggling clubs have that makes it easy to unwittingly ignore newcomers, because it's so easy for non-newcomers to pass with regulars or drink tea with their friends!
But in fact people who show up that are beginners really do often feel on the outside of that super friendly environment, particularly if they are demographically unlike the existing crowd or if they aren't crazy outgoing people who just make friends with strangers the whole time for the hell of it. It's all very well if the committee or the one designated person spends a good amount of time teaching the newcomers, but they're still going to feel like a burden in general if nobody else makes an effort.
This is why post-club drinks, or during-club tea and biscuit breaks, are such a good thing. All the folks who are passing or training seven balls in the corner can stop it and make small talk about jobs or kids or beer or holidays for a bit, and help make "welcome" into a verb.
I always make the effort of going up to newcomers and doing my most impressive tricks, then telling them I learnt that by lack of sociability at juggling clubs and conventions and if they too just keep attending and silently avoiding the trap of the 'clique', they too could stand in the corner practicing 7 balls like a cool motherfucker.
Why not do both .. socialize and cool mf 7b. I love it!
You get another smile of "Wow, i can do it too!" on pupil's faces when you're teaching them 3b basics as 7 baller compared to companion also struggling with 3-4-5b showing them. And 7b does take a lot of `work´ where you also have to practise alone .. you don't reach the stars without also stumbling over stones. But, yeah, don't do it at the club or on convos!
Tea breaks? Biscuits! How can anyone get serious training done with such distractions on offer?
At Norwich juggling club*, you earn ten minutes conversation time** for every hour of serious practice you do. The only drink on offer is water (at room temperature or chilled); all an athlete needs. We use the room in the building with the most corners, to provide sufficient corners for all our 7 ball jugglers. There are also: Definitely no board games played***, definitely no club passing**** and no tom-foolery with things in the supply cupboard.
*A proper juggling club
**Fifteen if the conversation remains entirely about juggling.
****Especially large groups
I suspect this is satirical, but if ~80 % of my juggling club visits were like that, I would be so happy.
One tweak: I think I'd prefer something like 10 minutes of juggling yields two minutes of conversation time about juggling, as that's about as long as it takes me to show/get thoughts about a new pattern.
I think this is why after juggling visits to the pub (or general social stuff) is a very useful policy, and why having a (probably on rotation) designated 'greet new people' person are both very good policies.
Otherwise there is definitely a bit of a battle between my desire to juggle and ignore everyone, and my desire for their to be a sustaining community.
Going somewhere where you can't juggle has a big advantage!
I do agree on going somewhere after juggling to avoid wasting juggling time, it sometimes seems daft to be hiring a space tall and big enough to juggle in and just sit around chatting, but some people can't go somewhere after and you risk not involving them.
Yes! We have a few people who I consider (and act well as) our greeters. Our president is really great in that regard.
Current situation: 1 hour practice yields 10 minutes conversation time - Ratio 6:1
Proposed 'tweak': 10 minutes practice yields two minutes conversation time - Ratio 5:1
Convenient mathematical rounding there Mr. Moore.
Ah, but mine implied the conversation was all juggle-talk. So the closer comparison would have been 1 hour against 15 minutes. 4:1 in the current situation, 5:1 with my tweak.
Haha .. : "Go back to practise or passing now! You're chattering stint 's run off to zero again."
Spinning@ must be doing (or have done) something right as they had by far the biggest turn out of any club I have visited in London. Maybe they are a victim of their own success, and now have to deliberately discourage newcomers as I found them noticeably less friendly or chatty than the random people I met on the tube on the way there. Different style of clubs appeal to different people, I prefer friendlier ones where you acknowledge other jugglers admittedly I might have been the only one there with juggling props you let go of, but as an ex unicyclist I have never worried about having a less popular prop. Maybe it is a size thing, perhaps it is easier to ignore new people in a larger group.
At all the other clubs I visited in London (with exception of UCL) it turned out I already knew at least one person there, so is harder to determine how a complete newcomer might feel, but I think at all (except spinning) at least one person came over to say hi, welcome me to their club, say they had spare kit to use, etc., and other jugglers were happy to chat when not juggling.
Saying Southboroough isn't in Tunbridge Wells is like saying Westminster isn't in London! & just because we don't have sawdust on the floor in our pubs doesn't mean you get to disparage our chutney!
Maps now tweaked, public transport links now noted.
The TWJC does have a kitchen to use so you could bring your own tea or coffee.
Next Tuesday there will be a good selection of nibbles, last meet of the year.
Well that seems fair since the City of Westminster and the City of London are adjoining districts (without any overlap), besides if it wasn't a separate entity, why would a town to the north of Tunbridge Wells be called Southborough?
I didn't disparage your chutneys, I didn't have chance to try them as they were in glass cases. Shame I missed the chocolate.
Public transport info on website looks good.
I use to run Imperial college juggling and this year we moved to Tuesday's. If you want to visit us next term feel free, we do try to provide tea and cake so from what I can tell that makes us better than the other London societies...
It sounds like they would definitely win in the tea and cake category, though they might not score too highly in the publicity category as their Juggling Edge listing and website both say they are meeting on Fridays (though their "closed" facebook group does say they are meet Tuesdays).
Would you be able to persuade the people now running the society to update their Juggling Edge listing and website?
I will try and visit them next term.
At the moment we do not have access to our website, we are trying to correct this as also our logo looks awful/ slightly depressing. I will look into the juggling edge profile, I contacted the guy who set it up and will try and correct it soon. Yeah, our publicity is a bit awful. On a side note I found some of the points above about trying to make clubs not very cliquey very interesting and will definitely mention them to the people running the club this year.
I spotted a man dressed in full batman outfit riding a solo wheel down to the Pantiles while driving to TWJC. Kev was garden showing so I ended up getting soaked while fumbling with the keys to the door & balancing boxes of stuff. Nicola was enjoying her new jumbo sized fat rings which I have to say are the only juggling rings I've ever touched that are pleasant to hold. Really good size for spinning round the ankle too. Archie turned up for the last 10 minutes. Good effort lad. I had a thoroughly antisocial night but a very productive juggle. Simon was helping wife Laura learn to ride the unicycle, not sure if stamping while walking beside her was all that helpful.
Batman has been spotted a lot in recent weeks, someone said he lives in Hawkenbury.
Only 5 firsts at the flower show, the baking didn't go to well, a bit overcooked.
I was feeling like doing a lot of juggling last night but old friend Anna dropped in on a surprise visit from Australia so I spent pretty much all night nattering. She seemed very pleased to see that TWJC is still going after so many years. Me too. Nicola returned from her jaunt in Italy &, well, complained about the heat mostly but also told of a great EJC. She also explained to me that graphene won't be very useful for aircraft because it's too brittle. I enjoyed this gem of a conversation with Jenny:
Jenny: There's so much of Australia I haven't seen.
Me: I bet there's a lot of England you haven't seen.
Jenny: I've been to Scotland I'll have you know.
She's a school teacher. I weep for the future.
I actually think Jenny won the discussion with a knockout blow Jon.
How much of Australia have you seen?
Was excellent to see Anna back.
I only wish I had the time to get to the pub afterwards.
ok, I have to speak up here.
A) It's Auckland, not Aukland
B) Auckland is in New Zealand, NOT Australia
C) Auckland is in the North Island, pretty much all the best stuff is in the South Island
but bonus points for liking it better than Aussie
yeh, ok, I missed the joke, but people get it wrong so often it wasn't hard for me to think it wasn't a joke
I can understand.
The effective German word for UK (and Ireland, without Ireland) is England. In that case the problem is made a lot worse as the more correct alternatives are a pain to say, combined with people not necessarily understanding what UK, GB, BI, etc. actually 100% mean. Therefore people default to the simplest and easiest.
I thought my joke would have been sufficiently obvious, but only because of context.
And, for what it's worth, I am looking forward to visiting NZ one day far more than Aus ;) I can even frequently detect the accent - although that is much more tricky at times.
I have a group of non-British friends who simply call everything "Albion" to avoid any mistakes.
I see your point a little better now Jon although I still think Jenny was correct in the general point she was making (even though I wasn't present when said conversation took place). And my question to you remains.
^Tom_ are you referring to Aukland, Norway?
The sum total of my experience of Australia comes from watching Neighbours, the Flying Doctors (remember that?), Australia, Crocodile Dundee, Mad Max & Steve Irwin.
Having been fortunate enough to visit both New Zealand and Australia I would say there is no comparison possible as they are both different countries and therefore have totally different characteristics.
However, if comparing the people of the two countries I would generalise that Australians tend to be extremely direct in their conversation whereas NeW Zealanders tend to be cuddly like koala bears (although koalas are native to Australia and should not under any circumstances be confused with their more aggressive relative the drop bear).
>15 million views for a guy drawing dotted lines... the amazing world of YouTube!
(and now >15 million...+1!)
I love the guy with the plates.
I wonder what sort of plates they are, heavier than normal spinning plates.
First time I watched the dotted lines video, I promised myself I'd learn how to do it, I was somewhat dissapointed when it only took half a dozen attempts to work out the technique :(
Perhaps learning the perfect freehand circle is more of a challenge?
I've tried, but finding a blackboard the right size and height for me to learn that has so far proved a challenge.
The size of the circle is dictated by the length of your arm and the bottom of the circle is dictated by the height of your shoulder.
I'm a shortarse so most lecture theatre blackboards I've tried are too high for this to work, and most non-lecture theatre blackboards are too small.
You mean you *haven't* tried?!
I've considered, years ago, but even thinking about finding a blackboard made me put this idea aside ;)
I always envisioned myself combining the two skills and drawing a "perfect" dotted circle
After yesterday's sucker punch it was a bit difficult to get started. We were joined for the first time by Nicola who was trying mills mess with some absurdly small & heavy balls. She was a little nervous about coming along because apparently we have, "a reputation" for being a group of hardcore jugglers. So own up, who's been spreading that rubbish around?! Due to the fact that I know so much about poi(?) I was selected by the other TWJC regulars as the person most likely to be able to assist with a 2 person 2 hoop 4 beat weave that she wanted to try. Having never swung hoops before & only know what a 3 & 5 beat weave is I was less sure but always happy to give something new a go. I had to be taught the correct hand movements required to spin the hoop, we struggled with timing & kept falling into a synchronous pattern. We never really got it but it was good fun to try & I've got a better idea of what we should have been doing now. I think we have successfully bullied Archie into coming to Crawley. Not sure if the argument of the argument that he will be in the company of responsible adults really put him at ease. If you put us all together I'm sure we come close to being *a* responsible adult.
Kev brought in a box of frozen fruit shoots to help us deal with the heatwave. The box handily came with a useful amount of ice. We adapted the discipline of 'ball on head' into the far more refreshing but still very tricky 'ice on head'. This new skill proves more difficult for those with less hair.
Don't worry Kev, yes I did manage to get there early & unlock before anyone else turned up! I spent most of my juggling time passing with Jo who is currently on tour from NZ. During conversation she brought up a couple of interesting insights from sales figures from her juggling store. Such as PX3s being a fad, clubs like Henry's have a broadly flat turnover, but PX3s appear to be going through a spike similar to Radical Fish a few years ago. & the average 'lifespan' of a juggler is 5-6 years, I'm most sceptical about this last one, I think jugglers go through a phase of buying every prop in existence, then calm down when they realise that more equipment doesn't make you a better juggler. We were also joined by The Lovely Helen who we haven't seen for ages mostly due to her being busy starting up her new business. Mr K & I amazed ourselves with still being able to do various takeouty things. While rocking out to 90s sensations Britney Spears & B*Witched Chris & I tried to fathom out the musical tastes of the youth of today via Archie, which was a struggle because he claims not to really listen to music. While I'm certainly not one to abuse my Page Rank I'd like to say that Archie is a raging One Direction fan.
Sounds like I missed a good evening.
I was busy entering Roses in our village Rose show. I entered 10 classes winning 4 firsts, 6 seconds and 2 cups for best in class.
Sounds like a nice haul, well done! Are you sure they were all real roses this year?
The average 'lifespan' of a juggler is 5-6 years, I'm most sceptical about this last one, I think jugglers go through a phase of buying every prop in existence, then calm down when they realise that more equipment doesn't make you a better juggler.
I think I'm with you on this one. After 5-6 years most jugglers have worked out what they want from their equipment, have bought what they need, and then drop into "maintenance mode" where they're only replacing worn out kit.
Once you're in "maintenance mode" I think most jugglers probably replace kit so rarely that they drop into the background noise in the sales figures.
OK, so I'm at one end of the extreme on this as the only juggling kit I've bought in the last 10 years was either second hand, or in the bargain bin at a fest (some Play jumbo rings, which are horrible, but adequate for making a Salerno ring out of) - but I think the norm is closer to my situation than it would be to say, Wes Pedens situation.
Talking of "musical tastes of the youth of today" I tried to get an answer on that out of my 21 year old niece recently, and got nowhere for what sounds like similar reasons. Music is so pervasive that she pretty much sees it as background noise and "doesn't really listen to music" as a result. She doesn't have any favourite bands, has never aligned her identity with a given genre, and doesn't have a particularly favourite type of nightclub as she goes clubbing to be with her friends rather than for the music.
I wonder how common that is. I know it's a complete contrast to when I was that age.
 I think it's probably fair to say the majority of jugglers aren't performers, and aren't numbers monsters who are hard on their kit
There are quite a lot of PX3's over in Vancouver. For a lot of the hobbyist jugglers it sounded like there's little knowledge of anything else. It doesn't help that there's no shop or obviously easy to use online store.
I think the 5-6 years is kind of a breaking point. If you get past that hurdle you'll juggle for life, otherwise it's just another hobby. I certainly gave up juggling after about 4yrs, then picked it up 2 years later, but only because it was the only social activity I could conceive doing in London at the time.
My musical tastes were narrow when I was a teenager, but I think that was out of cultural identification rather than real musical preferences. These days I also listen to and enjoy a huge variety of genres and don't identify strongly with any of them.
When I was a teenager, the primary way to find out about new music was from my friends and people I met at the genre specific nightclub, which would cause us all to converge on a common set of similar music. These days though, I learn about new music through the internet mostly, and listen to it predominantly on my own, so the cultural influence is completely different.
I noticed that if I'm working the sound desk for a show and I put on some background music while people are getting things together, older people will often express absolute shock at the music choice, based on an assumption that I have a strong personal genre identification with whatever I just put on.
Bit thin on the ground again last night. Did a lot of juggling which given my poor form was not really a good thing. Did get a fantastically smooth run of 20 catches of 3 club reverse back crosses with a clean finish though which I was very pleased with. Kevin was trying to break a record for long lateral distance idling. Archie asked for a three ball trick of the week (we're not doing very well at keeping up with that) so I demonstrated the Statue of Liberty. Inevitably some of the old hands of the club complained that it was too hard. We finished off the evening eating iced doughnuts supplied by Archie's mum who had been stalking the discount ticketing person in Sainsburys & managed to pick up a dozen doughnuts for 15p. Win!
How's the new kitten then Kev?!
I miss the concept of a ticketing person in a shop.
People around here go crazy about doughnuts for about a week early in the year, and the best deal I've seen was something like 10 for the price of 9*, where the starting price was fairly hefty.
*or maybe it was 20 for the price of 19.
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