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shawnlives -

Hey everybody. I want to put together a list of juggling ball vendors with a little info about each for my site. I was wondering if you would kindly help start my research by naming your favorite brand and why? If that has already been discussed, just shoot me the kink. Thanks!

shawnlives - - Parent

Link...

Orinoco - - Parent

If we had a PM system here on the Edge your inbox would be full of smut right now.

shawnlives - - Parent

Haha.

peterbone - - Parent

For my numbers beanbags I use bag lady balls. Several other UK based numbers jugglers use the same, including Alex Barron. They're good value, but shipping from the US can be expensive. They're underfilled beanbags similar to the original Barnsey bags used by Ben Beever. I've used the rag bags, mom's very best and flanny bags.
http://thebagladyonline.net/

I now use 62mm MMX balls for almost everything else. I normally buy them from Oddballs. They're a soft ball. Great for accuracy and feel better to juggle compared to beanbags. They can be difficult to launch and collect for higher numbers though.
http://www.playjuggling.com/juggling-balls-1885/mmx-balls.html

Mïark - - Parent

Yaenz created a fairly comprehensive google spreadsheet about beanbags and balls

www.reddit.com/r/juggling/wiki/links#wiki_juggling_ball_guides

(don't forget to credit any sources)

peterbone - - Parent

I'm surprised that the spreadsheet doesn't include GBallz or Bag Lady. Artifaxiom's guide seems more comprehensive.

Mike Moore - - Parent

And will be getting an update soon!

shawnlives - - Parent

Thanks everybody. If anyone stumbles upon this thread and wants to contribute, it's never too late!

7b_wizard - - Parent

#endlessthread (yipie!) ;o]=

7b_wizard - - Parent

http://www.passepasse.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=mmx ( mmx (not "plus") 62mm 4,50€ ) #buyprops #vendors

7b_wizard -

Do you invent things (tricks, siteswaps, moves, combinations; props; own show \ choreography; .. ) or do you depend on it being there already (siteswap- & trick-libraries; shown to you; seen it done by someone live or on video or written of; .. ) ?

  1. I am creative and \ or invent a lot \ frequently.  ( = very inventive creative innovative resourceful ingenious .. ).
  2. I casually find something new, that I've seen no one do before.  ( = a bit inventive ).
  3. I (partly) adapt what's there given (and do it `my way´) .. I wouldn't call that "inventing", but it's also not strictly reproducing.  ( = mostly reproducing ).
  4. I reproduce what I find from what diversity there is already given. What I do is well-proven, .. there's not much to invent.  ( = strictly reproducing ).
  5. other, creative andor inventive.   (e.g. only once, e.g. a speciality)
  6. other, reproducing.   (e.g. copying historical acts may need inventive improvisation)
  7. other: e.g.   neither, nor  \  both  \  can't be polled on like this  \  "I just drawed an elephant on my frisbee, does that count?"  \  ...


[ my focus is meant on inventing on juggling .. so, if you have the choice - doing several artistry - please vote how much you invent or not in juggling! .. Else feel free to vote for any your art! ]

thk 4 voting!

[ #poll #creativity #endlessthread ingenious originative innovative resourceful ]

This is a competition thread which ran from 20th Sep 2015 to 27th Sep 2015. View results.

Mike Moore - - Parent

Hmm...I'd like to say 1 or 2, but I try very hard not to invent *a lot*. Rather, I notice a lot of things that haven't been done, and I try to do ones that are particularly meaningful. It should introduce a new movement, frame something in a different way, or combine movements in such a way that there's some kind of emergent property.

For example:
Reverse backcross -> backcross -> behind the head kind of has an emergent property in that it's surprisingly easy. That's not typically the kind of thing I look for.

Backcross -> reverse backcross -> behind the head causes there to be an interesting motion between one hand throwing a behind the head and catching the reverse backcross. It's a very unnatural follow-through of a behind the head to rotate at the elbow to make the reverse backcross catch.

Both are nice because they have you looking in one direction for three throws, unlike all of the component patterns!

I realize I'm kind of rambling, but this is the stuff that excites me in juggling.

7b_wizard - - Parent

1 or 2 [..] hard to invent ``a lot´´
Yeh, .. maybe ``frequently´´ \ ``very inventive \ creative \ innovative´´, or ``always having an eye \ part of brain looking out for changing something´´ but that overlaps with point 3. "adapt given tricks" .. or else also ``explore & discover the possibilities of juggling (\ props \ ..) mainly in own resarch & work or finding out´´ ? .. Had same problem (with my own poll?! :oY  ) .. but chose 1. 'cos "a bit" is definitely too few. Also 1. & 2. will in the end be put together as "is inventive" (not "not inventive") vs. mainly reproducing what existing stuff can be found and seen, i guess.

Also working with siteswaps is a bit ambiguous to vote .. you can find them out or `make them up´ for your needs, but they are always already there calculable in their mathematically-logical system .. it would then depend on how someone feels, they are being "innovative" like actually doing queer unusual siteswaps or having the idea and the guts to actually try and do a vera hard given siteswap (considered like `impossible´ or `merely theoretic´ stickman-stuff), or else simply "finding" or "adapting" a passing siteswap for one, two, .. more person(s) ..
E.g. I thought of how to siteswap a split 3b-cascade ball and worked out: http://www.pic-upload.de/view-28372554/4b-90090990_split_ball.gif.html, which I'd call clearly more "inventive" than adding a prop or adapting a given siteswap for another passing partner or finding another transition fro & to ground-state than usual for a siteswap.

bx .. rbx .. bth
I'm afraid - having tried and done only single behind the neck over other shoulder (throw btn) and back (catch btn) - that I can only guess sort of what you mean with your example .. are you there a) following the beats with every hand throwing, the movement in question being a bth throw + bx catch (clawed, i guess) all behind the head on that hand's `side´ in the first example and a bth-throw on its side + hurried rbx-catch (normal? \ claw?) near the other shoulder (with that ball threatening to get out of reach fast), or are you b) following one ball flying the described orbits?

I don't read, you're asking what to vote - in that case just vote how much you feel your juggling and work on it being "inventive" (\creative \innovative) or just "adaptive" (or maybe you want to read point 5. as "other: deeply, strongly and thoroughly adaptive"-creative) - but your post already tells more than your vote would and chosing any "inventive" point will - I think - represent you well against the non-inventive reproducers and trick- and siteswap-`collectors´.

7b_wizard - - Parent

[edit .. "worked out" .. ] http://www11.pic-upload.de/21.09.15/8ur45vaq2ur.gif (3b-casc, split-ball)

7b_wizard - - Parent

= 4b-90090990 .. one can play around and get slightly adapted spacing with e.g. 4b-f0000f00f0f0000

7b_wizard - - Parent

Inventing a trick \ move \ sth that existed before, but you didn't know, counts as "inventive" ( 1. or 2. or 5. .. or 3. if its "adapting" by minor change).

7b_wizard - - Parent

rem.: Last day to poll on creativity \ inventiveness against doing what's given \ collecting all there is.

Marvin - - Parent

This poll has now ended. The results are:

  1.   I am creative and \ or invent a lot \ frequently.  ( = very inventive creative innovative resourceful ingenious .. ). (4 votes)
  2.   I casually find something new, that I've seen no one do before.  ( = a bit inventive ). (1 vote)
  3.   I (partly) adapt what's there given (and do it `my way´) .. I wouldn't call that "inventing", but it's also not strictly reproducing.  ( = mostly reproducing ). (2 votes)
  4.   I reproduce what I find from what diversity there is already given. What I do is well-proven, .. there's not much to invent.  ( = strictly reproducing ). (0 votes)
  5.   other, creative andor inventive.   (e.g. only once, e.g. a speciality) (0 votes)
  6.   other, reproducing.   (e.g. copying historical acts may need inventive improvisation) (0 votes)
  7.   other: e.g.   neither, nor  \  both  \  can't be polled on like this  \  "I just drawed an elephant on my frisbee, does that count?"  \  ... (1 vote)

7b_wizard -

Do you have a  v i s i o n  or do you wait and see where juggling gets you, or do you not think about where it might lead to at all?

  1. I have one strong vision.
  2. I have a fuzzy / multiple sort of vision.
  3. I am curious to see where it will get me (wanting or pushing nothing in particular).
  4. I have distinct plans on learning and wanting distinct (but changing) patterns or skills.
  5. I want to see whatever improvement above everything else.
  6. I don't care "where my juggling leads". Fun-time, the doing is all that matters.
  7. none / all / mixture of the above (it - what will become of it - is an issue, though).
  8. other. / doesn't apply. / "I hate such polls". / bad choice of choices.

Thk 4 voting :o)

[ #endlessthread #poll ]

This is a competition thread which ran from 11th Aug 2015 to 23rd Aug 2015. View results.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Last weekend for this poll before closing & results ... wanna vote? :o)

Marvin - - Parent

This poll has now ended. The results are:

  1.   I have one strong vision. (2 votes)
  2.   I have a fuzzy / multiple sort of vision. (1 vote)
  3.   I am curious to see where it will get me (wanting or pushing nothing in particular). (0 votes)
  4.   I have distinct plans on learning and wanting distinct (but changing) patterns or skills. (4 votes)
  5.   I want to see whatever improvement above everything else. (2 votes)
  6.   I don't care "where my juggling leads". Fun-time, the doing is all that matters. (4 votes)
  7.   none / all / mixture of the above (it - what will become of it - is an issue, though). (2 votes)
  8.   other. / doesn't apply. / "I hate such polls". / bad choice of choices. (1 vote)

7b_wizard - - Parent

Hey! .. rather many votes again :o]) Thanks!   Thanks to Marvin for sorting out the results!

My "one strong vision" is a dim and distant (but my vision of one day doing it myself is strong) more imagined than remembered black & white tv numbers ball-juggling in a manege .. I wouldn't even recognize it with today's eyes.
That vision got an `upgrade´ and refreshing years ago in that here https://www.youtube.com/v/Jp335OQpxaQ [Hiram Meza Pastor (Chile), "Juggling in Cagliari"] my vision of playful Seven Balls is pretty much reflected .. a five ball video mainly, but he does 7 balls at 1:32, 5 up 360°; cascade at 3:09; bounced against a wall (8 balls even?) at 3:40; (8x,6x) (? i think) and another 5 up 360° at 4:23, .. but it's not the tricks andor their difficulty mainly, that bewitched me, (and I might even have misconceived the video e.g. a turning-drift with "gee, he's even walking with the pattern", or e.g. saw more balls, or e.g. wasn't aware of possible fails outside the vid or..or not aware of even more difficult tricks being possible), but [ .. bewitched by .. ] the lightness and playfulness in mastering such a puzzling number of balls simply flying `all around the place´.

I am a bit surprised that only so few people have any longtime far-aim, or only would be curious to see how far or in which direction (/sub) they will get, or wanting to reach a distinct skill or pattern or level. .. Well, .. some do have (changing) part-time goals (maybe long-term in case), just not the (distinct) "one and only all-time" ambition andor destination andor vision so I guess, that half makes up for it.

Thanks again for reflecting on this "outcome of my juggling"-issue!

7b_wizard - - Parent

.. but I shouldn't wrong anyone having (strong) "goal or longtime far-aim" for not choosing "vision", which in fact has much stronger a notion of more of like a (powerful) imagined, visualized `pictured dream´. (which is exactly what I wanted to poll on)

7b_wizard - - Parent

.. so it's not so surprising after all .. Three out of Sixteen have, every Fifth, has a juggler's dream. That's great! ;o])

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

I think it might be good to have aims when we're younger.. to help push to the next level.

Eventually though progress slows, stops and then everything starts to fall apart as our bodies and mind deteriorate. "You live and learn - then you die and forget it all"

I suppose that's ultimately where our juggling leads to. But like life, it's really about the journey, the path rather than the destination.


I think we leave something behind when we stop though, a tiny piece that goes towards changing and evolving the amazing infinite juggling puzzle.

7b_wizard - - Parent

common and deprecated misconception about aging .. you forget that it's possible to early learn how to learn, to early learn how to stay aware, and to learn how to cope with and handle your own strengths and flaws (at learning on and on and pursuing aims). You never stop learning and adapting and doing and figuring out new things (need be learned first again) - getting into new stuff becomes a routine and optimized, and awareness of erroneous ways in the labyrinth is trained and stronger. Juggling is not only athletics [athletistry? athletry? lol], but a whole lot of skill.
Also researches have proven that, .. that new synapses are being built (=learning) also at old age.
I also don't think many jugglers (among all) go to their limits (daily), and many stop to practise a lot at a certain high level, so you can get to such high levels - no matter what age - by simply investing time and work (that others don't) and with ardour. ( But I'm afraid, I'll stay owing proof on that for say another decade or two haha IF I DON'T GET THAT `BREAKTHROUGH´ on "playful seven balls" .. ).

7b_wizard -

Do you have a "favourite" trick(s) or siteswap(s) or trick-family ..
a) that you can do,
b) that you would like to master some day,
c) that you find amazing, even though you'll - most likely - never do it?

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

I'd like to be able to run a crossed inverted box with the 2x behind my neck/head. The first time I tried it it felt like I could almost do it and it wouldn't take too much practice. Beginners luck I think, I still can't do it at all. It would have a wonderful 'nunchaku' like motion if run smoothly. I'd really love to be able to do it. I wonder can anyone else do it.. I expect they can.

Mike Moore - - Parent

Yikes, that sounds tough. I'll try to remember to give that some time, I think it'd be mental.

Something similar I've thought about was a box with the 2x behind the head, and the 4s thrown and caught behind the shoulder (the throw is like a shoulder throw, the catch is like a reverse shoulder throw).

Mike Moore - - Parent

a) My favourite trick that I do is probably inverted box. It's the new cascade.

b) 4b dots and high-low-around inverted box

c) The 3b stack. Truly awesome, in an I-don't-want-to-open-that-can-of-worms type of way.

JackJuggles - - Parent

I can do a 4 ball backcross flash.
I would like to be able to do 5 ball pirouettes and backcrosses.
Some of the tricks being attempted with 9 balls. I've seen 7 up 180s, and 360s to a collect, 6 overhead throws, and a backcross flash.

noslowerdna - - Parent

a) Frostbite
b) Crossed column inverted box
c) 4b mess siteswaps like 534 and 633

Quinn_Lewis - - Parent

a) Inline 3 (and variations)
b) Cross-arm Luke's Shuffle
c) Inline 4 (has anyone done it yet?)

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

I'd like to see some variations of 3b Inline.. what kind are there? I've seen the Murakami one with the 'take out' and I've seen it done on both sides.

Brook Roberts - - Parent

I've worked a little bit on doing it on siteswap 3, or transitioning which hand is on top.
I can do neither well.

I've also performed one-up pirrouettes which look cool, but really aren't hard assuming you can do the base trick well. I would love a three up, but found it super tricky getting height on all three (whilst in a line still, obviously!). I was going for the method of push the bottom two up, then the highest one - the reverse would feel a bit cheating to me, but probably easier.

Mike Moore - - Parent

Gah, people taking down videos makes me think I'm going crazy. I am ~99 % sure asf360 had a video a couple minutes long of inline 3 variations.

I have a few inline 3 variations, one of which was included in a video I made to answer a question from Quinn (who has some nice inline 3 variations, but all of his videos are on Facebook):

https://www.youtube.com/v/VHZTwV8beOk

noslowerdna - - Parent

It's called 360 and still public.

https://www.youtube.com/v/R0YzCDogNL4

(I found it by a Google search finding your comment on https://www.youtube.com/v/2ow07oKhioI)

Mike Moore - - Parent

Ah, thank you. I guess I shouldn't have skipped that one when searching this morning.

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

That's a nice one (1:04). The 'levels' bit at the top slots in really well with the inline, like the pattern is quickly stretched.

noslowerdna - - Parent

I've managed some "slow" variations with 1 or 2 inline throws mixed into some other pattern framework... but that's about it.

mrawa - - Parent

Family of tricks... probably shuffles, slams, and multiplexes

Favourite tricks:
1. Singapore Shuffle - As it was the first "what the hell" trick I was taught.
2. My own variation on a both-sided Georgian Shuffle, all catches clawed.
3. The Kraken

7b_wizard - - Parent

[Service, 3. "The Kraken" :] https://www.youtube.com/v/S4bOJQ1PB0I .. and - to see if he does it right .. http://www.libraryofjuggling.com/Tricks/3balltricks/Kraken.html

mrawa - - Parent

I did learn that one from Library of Juggling...

7b_wizard - - Parent

thread's still open .. [make it #endlessthread before I forget]

 

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