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The Void -

BJC 2018 will be in....

Canterbury, after Easter.

There is an additional event planned for the summer in Cumbria - which is *not* a BJC, but *is* a juggly event, tied in to celebrating the 250th anniversary of "circus" (Astley, etc).

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Crikey, will it be THAT year next year? :o

lukeburrage - - Parent

*sigh* Just do the BJC in the summer! Just do the BJC in the summer!

The Void - - Parent

Come to the business meeting if you want a say in it! Come to the business meeting if you want a say in it! :-P

lukeburrage - - Parent

I would, but the BJC is waaay to expensive for a camping convention where the weather is such a coin flip that I've not camped at one since 2001. It's the reason I don't go, and also the reason why I recommend anyone from Europe who asks about it not to go.

Little Paul - - Parent

We get it Luke, you say this over and over whenever anyone so much as mentions BJC.

Give it a rest for a bit?

(And come to Cumbria in the summer)

lukeburrage - - Parent

Sure sure. I'd be happy to come to Cumbria in the summer, of course. Who wouldn't be?

^Tom_ - - Parent

My best memory of the Canterbury presentation:

The venue:

The Langton
Langton Lane
Canterbury
CT4 7AS

The team is led by "Spyro" Mike

We were given detailed pictures and maps of the site, with 1 main hall (~1085m^2 based on my googlemaps-fu), and smaller "show hall" and "aerial hall" (so named as they will be able to rig from it). There are additional classrooms and seating areas.
A whole metric boatload of hard standing area (assuming that one boatload is about 0.4 hectares), Roughly 150 by 250m of camping space (which should be enough 2 or 3 times over).
There is a swimming pool on site, which should be available. And possibly also the observatory.

The show venue is a theatre in town where Mike works, although the name escapes me.
There is a vintage bus organization in Canterbury, which should hopefully provide the transportation to the show.

(Would any squirrels fix any obvious blunders).

Orinoco - - Parent

A certain person from TWJC who is not familiar with theatre terminology spent a great deal of time searching for a theatre in Canterbury named 'The Round'. Oh how we laughed!

Scott Seltzer - - Parent

Do you know the exact dates for BJC 2018? Easter is April 1 and that's also the day IJC starts.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

I forgot where I heard it but I was advised "after Easter".

It's Him - - Parent

The simple answer is no.

The slightly more complicated answer is starting in the week after Easter and continuing to the following week.

Mike didn't have specific dates attached to his bid and had some degree of flexibility. I imagine the dates will firm up rather quickly now that he knows that he is running the convention.

Nigel

Cedric Lackpot -

BJC thread? BJC thread!

Although my stay was brief it was really nice to greet some old faces for the first time in one or two years as I've been out of the loop for so long. And it was also rather wistful and nostalgic for me. Age encroaches.

I only stayed one night, was exhausted when I arrived, and even deader when I left, but I enjoyed myself in the glorious spring sunshine. Not gonna do a HLSGCBUTCAA because they're daft. But I have a few obsevations/questions :-

  • Was it just me, or were numbers really rather down this year? It seemed sparse, but good weather getting lots of people outdoors can do that to conventions. It also felt like it was organised on a bit of a shoestring compared to previous Team Randall editions, but since I was only there for the weekend that could be a spurious impression.
  • Am I the only one who didn't like the Gala Show? (Hint: No, but I shan't spill the beans.) I liked the hat act, and Guillaume was mildly interesting, but the rest of it left me cold, and wondering when the real show would start.
  • Did anyone go to the business meeting? What transpired?
  • Did David Langston actually survive? He seemed to be chugging neat deathwish on Saturday night, hard to believe he could still stand!
  • Any drama I would want to know about?
  • Is it time for me to retire The Old Skool? I think so, but it might be nice if it were handed over to someone fresh, or if it morphed into something else.

And finally ...

  • Anyone coming to Lestival? It has an all new org team and should therefore be überbrillig!

Al_Bee - - Parent

Oh the show. Was a bit odd initially as we were sat near a guy who clearly had learning disabilities and was occasionally loud and/or inappropriate - that wasn't a problem but the annoying kid who thought this guy was HILARIOUS was certainly an issue.

So the acts then - it seems I liked more of it than Jay. The "Paganini" act I thought was a highlight - funny and interesting and well done. Guillaume was fantastic - brilliantly choreographed and technical and I loved it. Cyr wheel was good too I thought. To give the hat duo credit they did actually have a sense of fun about them. Having said that the guy moving curvy sticks around awkwardly was a little weak - and there was to be a workshop the following day where you too could learn to move curvy sticks around awkwardly. There was a moment during this act that reminded me of watching modern jazz live - people just started applauding at seemingly nothing - I just didn't get it.

Actually after the first half I was wondering if this was one of those inspirational shows where people in the audience could see the acts on stage and definitely think "One day I'll have an act good enough to grace the BJC Gala Show stage." But the second half saved it imo (and Guillame absolutely hit the spot).

Orinoco - - Parent

Just got home!

I am aiming to have my full report on your desk by Saturday evening. Jon Peat was also taking extensive notes so we should have at least two long form accounts of the festival. I have unanimously decided that Jon Peat's will be the official review though.

To quickly address your points though:

  • Not sure about the total attendance, I've got 700ish in my head from somewhere but numbers were certainly up on last year :)
  • I liked the gala show.
  • I went to both business meetings. Lots of things.
  • I heard he ascended to a higher plane of consciousness.
  • Some people acted like dicks during the first business meeting. So no, nothing new.
  • I very much enjoyed the Old Skool, our two overseas visitors especially. Although I felt Pink Nigel dominated too much & Rhonda was given short shrift or talked over on many questions which I wasn't happy about.



& finally...

You mean #Lestivalx on Saturday 29th April at Brockington College? Alas no, but I can highly recommend it to everyone who wouldn't have to spend more time travelling than attending.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

> Some people acted like dicks during the first business meeting. So no, nothing new.

But ... but ... Ewan wasn't even there!

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Well that looked just fine in the preview. Fuck knows where those tags-not-tags sprung from.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Haha, The Edge is being a dick. First it showed my message with extraneous FONT tags, now it's rendering correctly. Either way, I'm pretty sure it would be better if it would stick to just one method of rendering.

Orinoco - - Parent

I removed them before your second post. I really don't know what you are doing that everyone else using the WYSIWYG editor is not!

Stop posting bugs for a couple of days I'm trying to write a review!1

1 Actually at the moment I'm trying to decipher my notes, but as soon as I've done that I'll start writing.

Al_Bee - - Parent

And is there a reason why it's now "The Gala Show" and not "The Public Show"?

Little Paul - - Parent

Someone explained the difference to me as "a gala show is pitched at festival attendees, a public show should be pitched to attract the general public"

I'm not entirely sure I agree with the distinction

^Tom_ - - Parent

My take on it...

For jugglers, "the public show" makes perfect sense. But if you're then describing it as "the public show" to "the public", then it sounds a bit silly. "The gala show" sounds more like a celebration than simply a description.

I know I'd be more likely to fall for a show called "gala show" than "public show".

John Shearing - - Parent

BJC 2017 HLGBC

H The pool party.

I know it's not juggling.

However, it was fun which is what a BJC should be all about.

L I can't really think of anything.

Having to return to the real world is always a shock to the system.

G To run a workshop at the BJC for the first time.

Tick and goaaal!

I was happy with how walking football was received. It was mutually agreed after half an hour that we were all cream crackered so the workshop was terminated ahead of schedule.

B Again I can't really think of anything.

C Not telling you!

Orinoco - - Parent

Another thing from Rebecca Lyon, this one really captures the atmosphere well.

https://youtu.be/adeiNvSd_JI

It's Him - - Parent

To answer some of the questions you posed:

The numbers did seem on the low side for a Nottingham convention but I'm wondering if that was due to having a BJC in Perth and people not being good at attending things after they have had a break. The next one will be in Canterbury which I have never visited so am looking forward to.

I thought the gala show was somewhat monotone and wasn't helped by having two slow acts at the start. I found the bound girl with the single club had a very interesting act and that the diabolo act was extremely controlled and slick but left me a little cold. I have seen duelling hats a number of times (including at MKJC where they stole the show) and thoroughly enjoyed them every time but thought the energy had gone from the audience by the time they performed. I have been told that the cyr wheel girl was extremely good but there were a lot of normal cyr wheel tricks that weren't performed (e.g. cartwheels, penny drops) which made me suspect that she was weaker than others have suggested she was. I think the hula hoop act would have fitted better into a more diverse show.

The business meeting was actually two business meetings. In the first two bids emerged, the Kent one which I mentioned previously and one from Rosie Kelly in Cumbria. at the end of the first meeting (which ran out of time) I thought that Rosie would be running the convention in Appleby next year and that Canterbury would run 2019. By the start of the second meeting it appeared like a lot of conversations had happened in the background and Rosie was not offering a BJC but rather a BJC extra to be held in the summer and the Kent bid was the only option. This greatly disappointed me. Not only because I thought that a lot of what Rosie was bringing to the table was coming from a completely different direction to the normal bids, which would have led to a different and interesting convention; but also because we would have had two years sorted and now we have only one. Whether I will be able to attend her BJC extra in the summer will depend on work and dates which would not be an issue at Easter.

The BYJOTY became BYCPOTY or ?bick potty? and included circus people (which meant aerial acts). There was an extremely good silk act and two other aerial acts. Most of the audience were wowed by a 13 year old doing some two diabolo tricks finishing with three diabolos. His act was slick but wouldn't have been considered if most of the other acts hadn't lacked something. The technical acts were highly technical and highly droppy (nothing new there) and most of the other acts weren't acts. I voted for a 3 ball juggler who had an act but could easily have voted for a staff manipulator with a well choreographed routine and believable character. I missed out on the drop count by 1 grrr.

I think the other panellists on the Old Skool were all much better than myself and interesting to listen to. I would happily have sat in the audience and listened to them but I had the offer of beer :-) I don't think that the Old Skool has run its course but I would like to see a panel which had a different make up at some point e.g. Jane Randall, Mamph, Amanda Drabble and Jay Linn as the panellists with Emily Winch as chair.

Alas I will miss Lestival again.

Nigel

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

> Jane Randall, Mamph, Amanda Drabble and Jay Linn as the panellists with Emily Winch as chair.

I am deeply flattered, thank you Nigel. And I suspect Emily would be chortling at the idea of me - me! - being on board as the token man.

Slightly more seriously, I love the idea of a mostly women panel but it's bastard hard getting women to join in, at least in the current format. Rhonda quite rightly made a tart remark about her reason for being there, but the alternative is to let the panel pick itself, and that's pretty much a 100% guarantee of blokishness. It's a really tough square to circle, and personally I don't know a better way than deciding that you're going to find a woman regardless, long before you get all meritocratic about it.

Little Paul - - Parent

Getting panellists isn't easy, and I saw first hand how hard you had to work to pull a panel together on the day.

I think Rhonda being overlooked at times was probably less to do with her being female and more to do with you being less familiar with her history than the others on the panel. The same thing happened 2 years ago, with the chap whose name escapes me (he had a goatee, and his wife had been involved in organising a bjc?) and I heard similar comments about that years panel bring uneven.

It's a shame, as her childhood sounded fascinating!

I talked to a few people who had never seen an old Skool panel before, and they seemed to think the idea still had legs. I think, if anything I'd like to see the idea extended - perhaps spun as a "new Skool panel" where the hot young things of today face questions about what inspires/drives them, where they get ideas, where they see juggling going etc.

Also, several people suggested to me that (at least one of) the bells should be under the direct control of the audience - something I definitely agree with!

The Void - - Parent

Pulling it together on the day is the problem. That's why I said no when you asked me.
If you can't get (haven't prepared) a quiet space where panelists can be heard by the audience more than 6 feet away, then get some microphones.
The latter is why I left after half an hour.
Greg was hilarious.

The Void - - Parent

LP, you mean Steve Bridge.

Little Paul - - Parent

That's the chap!

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

> Also, several people suggested to me that (at least one of) the bells should be under the direct control of the audience - something I definitely agree with!

I already have a deeply stupid idea about this ...

Orinoco - - Parent

Just come straight out with it LP: you want to squeeze the Pig of Derision.

^Tom_ - - Parent

On the subject of morphing...

Some years ago, I had a bit of an idea about a HIGNIFY-type panel quiz show to take place at a BJC. In essence it would probably have to be primarily Old Skool-ish to be entertaining. Although a new school team vs an old skool team would also work pretty nicely (or mixed old/young teams, and mixed modern/historical questions).

Anyway, I have several ideas, and if anyone is interesting in making something happen one day, or if the old skool wants a year off, then I'd be happy to discuss possible ideas.

^Tom_ - - Parent

Of course I meant more "Never mind the Buzzcocks" than "Have I got new for you".

Al_Bee - - Parent

I still reckon a "Would Jugglers Lie to You?" for met would be great. Lots of potential for showing off and great stories from the past being discussed.

Al_Bee - - Parent

That's "format" of course. Bloody finger sausages.

Rosie - - Parent

attended the Old Skool talk for the first time, despite always wanting to go see what it was all about I've never managed
(usually because renegade..or just juggling, not like a major avoiding reason)

aaaanyway.
short answer; loved it.

long answer...
didn't realise exactly what it as, had in my mind it was like a game show style, panel thing...dont ask why.
But basically I think if it was "advertised" more before BJC or at the event, more people would attend and know what it was. I felt liek you had to know in advance (oh god dont reply on someone shouting in the hall to announce any show or event)

I loved hearing stories and details that are more gossip than much else. I loved peoples back stories. Only being involved in "convention world" for few years you feel like you've a lot to catch up on, so thats why I think The Old Skool is needed!

I do have some things that I didnt like about it... some questions were super interesting, and obviously asked because of the reaction they would get. it was great! (jason/ija/etc.) and I liked crowd questions, circomedia clearly was a hot topic and would have been nice to hear either of the internationals thoughts on it.
Some questions were major yawn-fest..like i think they got asked whats the worst show youve ever seen..then...whats the best...like it was super boring. its liek someone telling you about their dream they just had. you're super into it. but no one else really is. (ok dont get me wrong there was the odd moment, but general those questions had a terrible word count verses funny ratio)


It was super annoying the bell wasnt used effectively. I think the host guy..you gotta learn to read a crowd better. every time you did press the bell people clapped..i think that means you wait to long and dont press it enough, because clearly people are so relieved when you do press it you get applause.
I'd also like to suggest the bell is put into the audience, or entrusted to a table of people. they can feel the crowd better maybe? Or they have one and you have one?? It just ruined it how someone can go on and on and on....
I do think Rhonda was almost cut out of a lot of questions, twice she began to speak, and once the other guest greg was about to tell a story and they were interrupted. I dont see how a host should let that happen. Theres a skill to allowing a conversation to flow naturally between people and controlling it enough to allow the laid-back or quieter guests moments to shine through.

thanks for reading the long answer when the short one would have sufficed

Orinoco - - Parent

Thank you Rosie, long answers are always welcome here!

It has always been intended to be a panel show of sorts as can be seen from Emily's announcement of the first Old Skool in 2012.

For me part of the Old Skool's appeal has been that it is an intimate affair. If the audience was much bigger I think it would lose some of that charm.

Interesting that you didn't feel it was advertised beforehand. It was also in the info booklet & on the workshop board :P This probably highlights two different ends of the spectrum of how people plan their time at a BJC. I generally look at all the events going on & then go juggling if there is nothing I fancy going to. Whereas I think your default position is to hang out in the main hall & it takes something special to pull you away from it, does that sound correct? What would be the best way to let you know about events happening at the BJC?

Also for your info Cedric Lackpot here is the Old Skool host guy!

^Tom_ - - Parent

I will also add that there was a sandwich board placed just outside the entrance to the main hall throughout the evening to advertise it.

As it happened, the venue for the old skool this year was not great, and I think most people struggled to hear what was going on. Particularly whenever oblivious people noisily wondered past, or whenever the mop-on-wheels frequently rattled past.

My favourite* Old Skool was in Pickering, where I think Steven and Andre had some particularly interesting stories which fed well of each other (Disney & alligators spring to mind, as does the story of a fire juggler somewhere).

*The number that I've actually managed to watch is not a particularly large number.

Little Paul - - Parent

The Pickering one benefited from being in an appropriately sized room without being on the way to/from anywhere or in a space being used for anything else.

The cafe area was the least worst place we could have held it this year, I'd have favoured one of the dance studios, but we were told they weren't available for some reason?

I do agree it could be advertised better, some of the descriptions I heard in advance of the show this year made it sound more like a juggling show than a panel show.

^Tom_ - - Parent

Oh, I agree that it was one of the least worst places.
Some venues are just more suited to talky events than others.

Was it originally called "Grumpy old jugglers", or was "Old Skool" the name from the start?

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

A little TOS history :-

The original idea was conceived by Ben Cornish and Dave Jellybean, and IIRC was going to be a more or less straight lift of BBC2's Grumpy Old Men called, predictably, Grumpy Old Jugglers. For reasons I wasn't told or do not remember, Ben and Dave chose not to develop the idea for BJC Southend 2012, despite them both attending.

Subsequently, sometime in late '11 or early '12 Emily Winch approached me to enquire whether I might be interested in taking the thing on. I listened to the proposal as it then stood, but was a bit concerned about making anything too derivative of an existing format, so went away and ruminated about it for a bit, after which I came to realise that getting jugglers with long experience to share their stories was a great idea, but simply copying another format was probably too restrictive. Consequently I came up with a loose panel format, and a name that did not suggest anything much in particular, other than punning lightly on Old Skool/Old's Kool, with the hope that we could just get interesting people squiffy and letting them babble. It seemed to work.

So, in brief, the conception was indeed Grumpy Old Jugglers and the germ of the idea was not mine, but once it fell into my lap I tried to knock it into something workable.

The Void - - Parent

Which reminds me.... http://www.capsule39.com/tlmb_oldsCool.php is still available!
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Mike Moore - - Parent

If Old Skool ever recorded and posted? I'm interested to see what it's all about.

Mike Moore - - Parent

*Is

(minor jetlag)

The Void - - Parent

So far, no. I image that if panelists knew they were being recorded, we would get far fewer stories full of potentially slanderously entertaining dullskuggery.

Little Paul - - Parent

After the Steve mills one, I wished I had recorded the pre-show prep chats as although the show was interesting, the pre-show prep was more interesting.

I forgot all about my plan to (audio) record the pre-work this year until it was too late - but I'd love to do that and put it out as a carefully edited (to avoid too much scandal) audio release.

Perhaps next year...

It's Him - - Parent

pre-show prep chats?

Unless you were talking about us introducing ourselves at the start of the panel then this didn't happen for me. It may be because I have known Jay a long while and he probably thinks he knows quite a bit about me. However as I totally failed to mention that I was a performing juggler in my self-introduction or explain why I am called It's Him when he mentioned it in introducing me, it was a fairly poor example of talking about myself.

Nigel

Why are you called It's Him! ? Partly because of the anagram. Partly because I was in a double act called Him and Me.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Nigel, for various boring reasons I elected to be pretty slack about The Old Skool prep this year, so did very little of the homework I have previously done. Usually I have spent half a day doing informal individual interviews/chats with the panellists as a way of a) gleaning useful information and background; and b) giving them the opportunity to ramble on and talk freely, by way of acclimatisation. It has usually been a wonderful experience.

Mike Moore - - Parent

Ah, that makes perfect sense. I'll have to rely on Greg's memory, then!

Little Paul - - Parent

Thanks for a long answer, I don't think a shorter one would have done :)

Mike Moore -

Devilstick Balance

This video came out today and I found it bizarre. The beginning somewhat reminiscent of the old (and long) act where the performer balances what look like bones on top of each other.

The end...I'm not convinced by. I think I would've found it more interesting, more powerful without it. It seemed like he was blazing new ground, then relapsed. My feelings went from, "this is slow and unexciting" to "oh, this is building into something interesting" to "of course, he does what every devilsticker would do."

I'm interested to hear what the Edgians (do we have a name?) think.

https://youtu.be/kb2QzAnAyrE

Orinoco - - Parent

Yeah, the ending doesn't have the same impact as Miyoko Shida Rigolo's act. Miyoko's balance is obviously much bigger & spectacular, but it also collapses in a very pleasing chain reaction. This construction just falls apart in a very unsatisfying way.

I've always gone with Edgenaughts.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

> I've always gone with Edgenaughts.

Edgenauts surely?

Orinoco - - Parent

That's the one I should be using yes, but a search says that I yo-yo between the two!

The Void - - Parent

Since you just correctly hyphenated yo-yo, I'll forgive you.

Llama_Bill - - Parent

I saw her perform this during a Cirque show and I've never heard such a quiet crowd, in a good way. Everyone was so anxious the whole time. Everything wiggled just a little more than you thought it should.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

I'm an Edgy, and I liked this videos conclusion :)

lukeburrage - - Parent

I quite enjoyed it. He foreshadowed the ending by dropping the sticks out of his hand one by one, and then the whole thing collapsing paid that off. One final drop, and the routine was done. Cool.

I worked on an act which involved a sculpture made out of many clubs, rings, balls and two diabolos. Pretty much all the main props in my show. I think I juggled three balls when it was balance on my chin. I only ever performed it once because there was no non-messy but still dramatic way out of the end of it. It's fine if that's the entire act, and you have stage hands to clear up after you, but I felt stupid collapsing the thing and then having to pick everything up again. Maybe I should work on it again, and work out a better ending.

The Void - - Parent

I've got a vague feeling that I may have seen that. Do you remember where you performed it?

Little Paul - - Parent

It sounds familiar to me too, and something is nagging me saying renegade at the Scottish juggling convention?

My memory is terrifically easy to confuse though, especially when it comes to late night shows I saw after drinking with Ewano & Matt hall...

lukeburrage - - Parent

No, the only time I performed it was during a cruise ship contract which, to be honest, isn't the best place to be trying new material. The tricks were good, but the presentation just didn't work out. There was too much swapping between different sets of mixed props, and nothing I could do made it look elegant.

However, as my own memory of what I've performed on stage is often less reliably than other peoples' memories of what I've done on stage, especially in Renegade shows, the distance roots of this act may very easily have began in material I tried back in 2003 or 2004. I know a lot of other things in my current show come from random ideas that worked better than I thought at 2am in a tent when half the audience was drunk and rowdy.

Little Paul - - Parent

Fair enough!

The Void -

Dinardi. There was an old music hall act whose tag line was "He fills the stage with flags!". Dinardi doesn't use flags.
https://youtu.be/cT0AueXMJe4

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Haha, that's a weird act!

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

I'd suggest the flags in question are don't really look like irises.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Note to Orinoco: This post is b0rked. Preview wouldn't render it correctly, even when I edited it, and I have no access to the full editor since the reply page only gives a link to causal diagram help.

Example screencap.

#meta #orinoco

Orinoco - - Parent

Not sure exactly what the problem is here. Did the preview render for you but not as expected or did it not render at all as per that screenshot? If that is not the 'full editor' in that screenshot what precisely is missing from it?

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

It should've read :-

"I'd suggest the flags in question are irises, but they don't really look like irises."

... with a link to Wiktionary on the first 'irises'.

I was going to check the source, but without the means to reach the full editor I couldn't do that either. I note that I still do not have access to the full editor in comment replies.

Orinoco - - Parent

What do you mean by 'full editor'?

Orinoco - - Parent

That was rubbish, he didn't catch a single thing!

I did like the orange stripey suit at 1:58 though.

Little Paul - - Parent

I love that, you just don't see production acts any more.

Also, those spring flowers are gorgeous! i haven't seen any that well made in a long time, most I've seen available commercially look more like feather dusters.

Which is of course, more or less what they are

Daniel Simu - - Parent

No more production acts? There are still some people performing with loads of bottles and umbrellas, right?

bad1dobby - - Parent

I love that you just don't see production acts any more.

I saw a production at the start - in the basket. After that, all I saw was some people unpacking some boxes on stage (albeit with great enthusiasm).

lukeburrage - - Parent

I'm so glad that I've never had to sit through an act like this live. It's interesting to see the video, from a historical perspective, but I found myself using the "skip forward 10 seconds" function over and over, waiting for something to happen.

mtb - - Parent

Prepping for this act must have sucked. Packing all of those things into boxes....

Dee - - Parent

Whereas I was thinking of the poor stage-hands having to quickly clear all that stuff off the stage. Hope the compare has lots of filler material.

The Void - - Parent

"End of first half? Right-oh!"

The Void -

Are any Lestivillians going to put L! on http://www.jugglingedge.com/events.php ?

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Done. Despite it not being my bloody job any more. Harumph.

#lestivalx

The Void - - Parent

Cheers. I know the feeling...

Cedric Lackpot -

French rural stiltwalkers of Landes, Nouvelle-Aquitaine.

A nice wee article found at the superlative Everlasting Blort. Reminiscent of the Kentish hop-pickers who also used stilts for practical non-entertainment purposes. But not plasterers because they use pretend stilts, the filthy cheats.

John R - - Parent

I'm sure I've seen some of those photos before. Possibly in a book by Graham Robb, The Discovery of France? Nice to see these though, thanks!

Monte - - Parent

They were featured on QI several years ago.

Monte - - Parent

A little bit of research counters the articles assertion that stilts were a medieval invention. There is evidence that they were used in ancient Greece including a storage jar from 525-550BC depicting stilt walkers.
There is also a Chinese legend, possibly going back even further...

"There is a folk legend about the origin of stilt walking. A foreign ambassador of the Spring and Autumn Period (722–481 BC), Yan Ying, visited his neighboring kingdom. Because of being short, Yan Ying was often laughed at by the officials of that kingdom. So he tied two stilts on his feet to make himself taller than normal people. By walking with the stilts, he spoke sarcastically to the people who had been laughing at him. After that, the tradition of stilt walking spread to the citizens, and people began to make it into a dance to celebrate big events and festivals."

There is another popular legend that fishermen in coastal villages used this technique to catch fish with sharp sticks.


So up to 2000 years earlier than the article suggests.....

mike.armstrong -

The Catch...
The UK's former juggling magazine is now (mostly) on line at www.jugglingmagazines.com - I hope you enjoy it!
Cheers
-Mike

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Super Mike, thanks.

I glanced through the first few pages of issue #1, and lo and behold there's Lindsay Hurd (misspelled in The Catch) who AFAIK is still working in touring circus. And there's Shaun Bridges, an Archaos-grade BMX expert and massive nutter who nearly immolated a crowd in a basement in Bath at around that time. How the fucking fuck so many of us survived the rampant negligence and recklessness of that time, I do not know.

The Void - - Parent

Well done, and thanks. (Sorry for not answering the email... Didn't have any spares).
"To view it full-screen click the icon in the bottom right-hand corner." Does that mean the magnifying glass icon? 'Cos for me, that just maximises the magazine within the viewer, but doesn't make the viewer fullscreen. (iPad 2, iOS 9.2)

7b_wizard - - Parent

On PC (oldversion firefox 16) it's same .. bottom left glass-magnifies once which is still too small; bottom right, "fullscreen" won't work.

mike.armstrong - - Parent

I've made a change which might help for older browsers for Issue 1. Does http://jugglingmagazines.com/?page_id=117 work now? If so I'll copy the change across all the pages.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Fullscreen's perfect now.

( The little zooming window appears, but it's still too small to read; but that doesn't matter, as fullscreen works well now. .. I'm anyway blaming my old machine, constellation and configuration. I'm just not updating everything all the time. )

Thanks!

mike.armstrong - - Parent

On desktops there's a square-with-gaps icon in the bottom right hand corner for full screen - it looks like it doesn't exist on mobile devices. I'll have a play and see if I can work something out...

mike.armstrong - - Parent

Hopefully it's better now...it's working well on all of my (non-apple) mobile devices
Cheers
-Mike

The Void - - Parent

And on my iPad too. Thanks!

Mïark - - Parent

That's brilliant, thanks Mike.

For your "Other Juggling Magazines" page there is also an archive of Jugglers world" 1981-1998 online at http://dev.juggle.org/history/archives/jugmags/index.php (hopefully it won't get obliterated by IJA website modernisation). It doesn't have the search capacity that the juggling.org archive has, but has a limited index and is slightly more complete

mike.armstrong - - Parent

Thanks Miark - I've added a link

Mini - - Parent

Wow.

very well done

i have a set of 3 ply press her as well that should be archived at some point should anyone with the skill and inclination fancy that

mike.armstrong - - Parent

If someone want to scan them I'm happy to host them!

Orinoco - - Parent

Great work Mike, well done!

I recognise the covers of issues 12 & 14 so I should have issue 13. I will check what condition my copy is in. What format do you need a scan in? I'll see if I can find somewhere to scan it myself, if unable I can pop it in the post to you or pass it along to you or one of your staff members at the BJC.

mike.armstrong - - Parent

Excellent, thanks Orin.
I've been working with full colour 300dpi jpgs if you can rustle them up - otherwise post would be good too.
Cheers
-Mike

mike.armstrong - - Parent

...and now complete rebuilt to (hopefully!) work better on mobile devices
Cheers
-Mike

Colin E. - - Parent

Thanks Mike - really enjoyed that trip down memory lane. I didn't realise I had previously owned quite so many issues.

Were some of those ones that I had donated? some of the (coffee) stains looked familiar!

mike.armstrong - - Parent

I've had donations from a few people, so those could well be your coffee stains - thanks very much for them!

mike.armstrong - - Parent

...now (thanks to our God Emperor) Issue 13 has been added and the archive is complete
Cheers
-Mike

The Void - - Parent

*Applause*

Orinoco - - Parent

Marvelous, well done Mike. I can staple my copy back together now then!

Cedric Lackpot -

Spouts of Fury: When Tea and Kung Fu Collide.

I found this on reddit where one of the /r/juggling subscribers mentioned it in an entirely different sub - thanks, /u/Sub_Mentions bot! - and I thought The Edge would appreciate the skills and the sentiments.

https://youtu.be/xTkm20eGBxU

LP will undoubtedly revile the paucity of biscuits, but you can't have everything can you?

Daniel Simu - - Parent

That is amazing! I can't yet find such a teapot on ebay :(

Little Paul - - Parent

More detail about the form here: http://www.teavivre.com/info/gongfu-tea-long-pot/

I haven't yet found a source for long pots, but it feels like a lot of the moves could be achieved with a long spout watering can, the sort used for houseplants.

Orinoco - - Parent

That is lovely.

The numerous origins are very interesting. If I was an emperor fearing assassination I don't think making people carry a spear like tea pot would make me feel at ease.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

I thought exactly the same, haha!

mtb - - Parent

Besides, they could just poison the tea at source....

Mïark - - Parent

I think it was probably more a class thing, Chinese nobility wouldn't want lower classes getting too close.

Cedric Lackpot -

The Rise, Fall, and Lonely Death of Benny Hill

"When I was a lad and crazy to get into showbiz I used to dream of being a comic in a touring revue. They were extraordinary, wonderful shows. There were jugglers and acrobats and singers and comics, and most important of all were the girl dancers. My shows are probably the nearest thing there is on TV to those old revues." - Benny Hill

Ron Baker on Flashbak writes this article about the beloved but rather odd comedian. I'm not completely sure how objective this is but it seems well-written and even-handed aside from the slightly sensationalist title, and is an interesting read.

Much of his comedy was undoubtedly old-fashioned, and often of questionable taste to modern audiences, and I don't think he has ever quite succeeded in being posthumously rehabilitated by the British public. Nevertheless he was a key figure in British post-war comedy.

Enjoy if you will.

mtb - - Parent

That was quite interesting. Thanks.

Do not think that I have ever seen his show though.

Cedric Lackpot -

Circus is the new normal - aerial hoop on Gardeners Question Time!

'kinell, it's been a long time coming, but aerial skills on GQT? Really? It was a question from someone who has an aerial hoop rig gaffed from sort of large tripod in the garden, and the panel were invited to suggest flora to enhance the framework. Wisteria they suggested!

Also, the panel went into full Daily Express mode, giggling and guffawing at such outlandish ideas, although mercifully they didn't start suggesting that forrens should be deported or burglars castrated, they weren't that Daily Express, just a bit befuddled by such novelties.

Little Paul - - Parent

I finally got around to listening to that episode - I think it's this one: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088jj66

I can't help but think that the person who posed the question made the classic "I'm into aerial" blunder of assuming the whole world knows what they mean. Having looked at the photo they submitted, it didn't really help the panel out much:

Behold! This is an aerial hoop! But what would you plant around it? #GQT pic.twitter.com/DYoQZt2KTQ
— BBC Radio 4's GQT (@BBCGQT) January 22, 2017


I think the panel would have had less of an issue with befuddlement had they sent in a picture of the rig insitu and described it as an acrobatic circus skill to give them some purchase on the idea of why anyone would do such a thing.

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