If it's a bit quiet today that may be because everyone is at BBU 2013, Kinetic Fire 2013, Forchheim Juggling Convention, 3rd Annual Sturtevant Camp Juggling Festival, Bibasse, Schokon 3, ŻeLKa, 27e Nederlandse Acrobatiekfestival or Fiesta dei Folli.
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New club added.
Hi there, just signed up and added a club that has been around for a while tothe listings. Feel free to join us if you are in the area new members arealways welcome to join us. If you would like find out more about us then lookat Balls Up Juggling Club #ballsup
Is Balls Up the same club as Amazing Circus Skills Club? www.jugglingedge.com/club.php?ClubID=1493&
but with a new name?
Sort of. Unfortunatley the person who was looking after the entry was very sick and is no longer with us. the change of name was two fold one because the origional name was Balls Up Juggling Club. Has had two other names but since this members death it was decided to go back to the origional name and give the club a new entry. Probably should remove the old name now.
I'm all packed for #Bungay & looking forward to some serious rest. I'm looking forward to seeing some of you tomorrow. For everyone else I'll fix everything that breaks when I get back.
Jay Gilligan does a TEDx talk on the evolution of juggling:
(The x denotes a crossing TED talk).
Interesting story about why rings are the size they are. I'd not heard that before.
Interesting talk. I much prefer traditional props but then a talk on normal balls, rings and clubs wouldn't be interesting, right?
Head Bounce to Head Stall Balance back to Head Bounce?
Anybody have any tips or pointers to any resources on how to do this trick? Or even some pointers to some video of other performers doing it would be grand!
thanks - Warren
I can't think of any specific tips. Learn the head bounce and the balance well. Also learn to maintain a bounce as low as possible. The stall is easier if the ball is less bouncy so maybe start with an under-inflated ball and increase the pressure as you improve.
Shoulder injuries and Juggling?
Anybody have any words of wisdom concerning juggling and shoulder issues? Recently, with a slight increase in the number of practice sessions per week, my left shoulder has started to hurt a bit. I have toned down the intensity and have been working on non toss juggling skills instead and it doesn't hurt like it did, but, still a bit tender and stiff at times after juggling and when I wake up in the morning.
Have any particular exercises or a stretching regime helped?
Obviously, if I don't get any relief from rest I am going to see the Doc. Just curious if any one else has had similar experiences and what they may or may not have done.
Gold+ standard advice is: if it hurts, stop it. If it still hurts, go consult a doctor or a sports physio.
Shoulder/wrist/toe injuries are really hard to diagnose over the Internet, even for qualified medical professionals. What worked for one persons injury may make another persons injury worse. Get seen in person, and you'll get advice tailored to your specific injury.
Once you've done that, and got better, video yourself juggling from the front and the side. A lot of these types of injuries seem to be caused or encouraged by poor posture or technique and video will make that visible. Fix the injury and the technique and you'll reduce the risk of injuring yourself again.
I know you really wanted "do these stretches" but I honestly believe getting seen in person is the only way to go!
Be careful stopping too much, I found resting an injury (because of intense pain) prolonged recovery when gentle exercise would have helped. That was for a sprained wrist and dislocated shoulder after a traffic incident (so slightly different), but I lost almost a year of juggling because of bad advice from doctors and it took me several months of going through several doctors to get the correct diagnosis, some pain killers that worked and some treatment that gave me some mobility back.
Don't rely on advise from the internet, but also don't settle for the first medical opinion you get, in my experience 6 out of 7 doctors cannot diagnose a shoulder injury correctly.
So I guess talking about juggling is now acceptable! :D
I got my longest run of 5 balls yesterday. 410 catches, clean and almost effortless. Should I move on to 5 rings before 6 & 7? I've spent months working primarily on the 5 ball cascade so I have the feel for the cascade. Also, I've never seen anyone perform 6 objects (except Pavel Evsukevich). So is it even worthwhile learning?
As a general rule, how good do you have to be to say you've mastered something? 10 x in a row? On demand? And where I spent 30 minutes a day just on 5, should I spend that much time on 6 and 7? Because 5 balls can be learned in a few months but 6 and 7 can take a year or more. (From what I've heard). Tell me about your experience with numbers!! Thanks!
I think you should move on to whatever takes your fancy! The wonderful thing about juggling is that there's no set progression. You want to learn 5 rings? Learn 5 rings. Want to learn 6/7 balls? Great! Learn 6 or 7 balls!
The skills aren't even mutually exclusive, so you can learn 5 rings and 6 balls and 7 balls all at the same time (well not *literally* at the same time, that would be 18 objects and that's a bit hard)
In my book, if no one performs something, that makes it *more* worth learning. Why would you want to perform the same thing everyone else does? Sounds like sheep thinking to me :) - besides, if you're thinking about performing I think you should start performing as soon as possible. It's a skill like anything else, you'll suck at first then get better with practice. Unfortunately, it's kinda tricky to practice it without an audience.
As for "how good do you have to be to say you've mastered something" - for me, I've mastered something when I can pick up the props and do the trick for as long as I want to, first time. Some people say "you've mastered it when you've got 1000 catches" or some other arbitrary limit, but in my experience I know when I've mastered something. I just *know*
Hope some of that's useful :)
It's as acceptable as it will ever be.
I'm bored of 5 rings, 6 & 7 balls so don't bother learning any of them... unless you can do something new & interesting with them in which case definitely learn that. If you enjoy juggling those numbers this is also a very good reason to spend time learning them.
As for how long you should spend practising, spend as much time as you have enthusiasm for. With 5 balls I spent probably 2 hours a day for a couple of weeks. For 6 balls I forced myself to do an hour a day every day which I did for a whole year, which in hindsight was almost a complete waste of time (I did learn how not to learn which was useful). I really enjoyed learning 5, I was really enthusiastic about it & success was almost immediate for me I was regularly qualifying within a couple of days. With 6 I got to 200+ throws but it was really hard work & I didn't enjoy it. I mastered 5 very quickly but I can still only 'juggle' 6. If I don't enjoy practising something I know I won't learn it well.
My definition of mastered is similar to LPs in that I must be able to start and stop at will. Meaning pick up the prop & run the trick first time for as long as I want then finish cleanly.
Congrats on the 410 catches of 5. That must be almost 2 minutes - Definitely a pretty solid pattern! Have you learnt much in the way of tricks or siteswap with 5?
I would suggest learning 5 rings, 6 balls and 7 balls all at the same time. And six objects is definitely worth learning! It lacks the incredible difficulty of 7 when it comes to tricks and siteswaps, while being enough balls in the air that it feels like you're juggling improbable numbers. And hey! I do 6 ball stuff in my act. Plenty of people out there are doing stuff with 6!
Where you spent 30 minutes a day just on 5, split it however you like best. 10 minutes on 7 (or more) would probably be good though.
"Tell me about your experience with numbers!!" - Numbers are very very very very very hard.
You all have been very helpful! It's awesome to get feedback and insight.
I had no idea that you can work on different numbers/props. I usually have a one track mind and do something until I get it. Not the best way to practice I suppose, but I always learn faster than I expected to.
Personally I'd rather watch 5 than 6. Lot more tricks with 5 than with 6 & 7. But I want to be a good juggler so I stretch myself. Balls will always be my favorite, but I do want to get into clubs and rings as well. The variety is interesting.
I like the various definitions of mastery. I'm not quite there yet of course, but a month ago I couldn't do 100 catches. Now I can do it almost every time. I haven't learned any site swaps (my ceiling is two feet taller than my head which made learning 5 very difficult.) Half shower is taking lots of time to learn. I can get 10 over the top and then the whole thing crashes.
Don't worry about the half shower. A friend of mine who is absolutely mega beast at 5 ball siteswaps still has trouble running the half shower.
Good luck with 6 and 7 balls :)
Mega beast at 5 ball siteswap and struggles with half shower? Are you sure this friend of yours isn't joking???
If the ceiling is only two foot above your head, learning half shower, reverse cascade and 645 should be fine. Do you have a place to practice 6 & 7 balls that is different though? Learning those under such circumstances will be tremendously difficult! Same for 5 rings...
Lost property - #bjc2013
(Reposting from FB)
"We still have LOTS of lost property from BJC 2013!
PLEASE read the list and let us know if any of it is yours by e-mailing email@example.com
Any stuff not claimed by the end of June will be disposed of.
If something is yours, but you don't want it, please let us know so we don't hang on to it unnecessarily.
Black and gold taped hoop
2 orange rings
2 black rings
1 green ring
1 blue Henry’s club
1 orange club with white handle
Blue and purple tail poi
Black diabolo & handsticks
Green rubber ball
Navy contact ball
5 four-coloured thuds
1 black and yellow thud
4 white ball, variously decayed
1 red ball
1 small glow ball
1 clear acrylic
2 green rollmats with black straps
Green glowstick torch
Blue and white checked mug
Navy ‘Interaction Recruitment’ mug
Black thermal beaker
Purple thermal mug with lid
2 silver thermal mugs with lids
2 blue plastic beakers
Yellow and black foot pump
Junior camping chair
1 rainbow coloured blanket
European Nokia charger
USB to ? cable
‘New Look’ purse (empty)
Small, clear rectangle
1 red cushion
1 green cushion
1 cushion no cover
Pale pink hand towel
Camera lens hood
10 jackets (fleeces and waterproofs etc.)
Child’s black and yellow Adidas coat, labelled ‘Oscar’
6 tops (ladies and mens)
3 odd gloves
3 pairs of gloves
That's what I've suggested, there was interest in some of the stuff from people at Lestival! so they may as well.
If there are any of the poker chips that I was using for crew meal tokens I would really like them back if possible.In fact if you bring me any at Bungay I will cook you dinner one night.
I have 3 meal tokens - sadly I'm barred from Bungay this year, but I will send them with Jak.
Sam found a jam jar full of them - she'll send them back to you via one of the Yorkies who are going to Bungay!
What is this mysterious small, clear rectangle?
I'm looking at the list & thinking about what I could build out of all that. I haven't thought of anything particularly creative yet, but it would be nice to use the cushions & some of the clothing to pad out the long johns, one of the tops, one of the jackets into a guy & sit him/her in the camp chair.
Akihiro Yanai - truly awesome contact routine from Japan's JJF 2012.
Apologies if it's glasscock, but you have to admit it's still mindbogglingly great.
Not that amazing, he's from Japan and all Japanese can do this.
Humor aside, this is a fantastic routine! I don't do contact but there's just something about watching it that is so peaceful. Thanks for sharing!
I love the sounds the audience make. There's nothing quite like the incredulous nervous laughter of a room of jugglers.
Thanks for posting that. Sadie, you're right, those noises are great, and completely appropriate for that routine!
That was great! Really *really* nice tricks do e really well. Loved the 2ball section. I only spotted two drops, but they were so well handled I could easily have missed them :)
He turned up to Turbo Fest this year, almost completely buy surprise. He first contacted us to be in the show, but we were already full (and then some!). Then at the fest, he just arrived! He paid his own way from Japan, just to come and see it, and ended up doing something on renegade which had EVERYONE asking "was that the guy from YouTube".
I contacted him before asking if we were full actually :3
Sometimes errors pay off...
I really want to make it to turbo at some point. It's one of the few fests I'd be willing to fly half way round the planet for. (if doing so wasn't so expensive;)
I had no idea what glasscock meant, never seen the photo until just now.
It was arguably a bit lazy of me to use the term without context, but so many Edgizens also read b3ta that it was safe to assume that most people would understand it. I'm glad to have introduced you to the term!
I think the number of b3tans on The Edge is probably fairly small in proportion to the total number of users (although some of the more vocal posters are also b3tans)
For anyone still unclear about the meaning of "glasscock" there's a definition here: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=glasscock which has reminded me how much fun it is to muck about on urbandictionary... there goes the rest of my afternoon!
I usually warm up with 3 clubs by doing 20 catch runs of singles then doubles then triples then quads. I make sure there are no wrong end catches, no shuffling & I throw with a nice even rhythm. I noticed last night that when going from singles to doubles it took me a few throws to settle into the correct rhythm, but oddly not when going from doubles to triples to quads. So I spent some time ironing that out by going back to an exercise which Sean Gandini talked to me about in 2002 where you juggle 8 singles then 4 doubles. Both sections of throws should take the same amount of time to complete when done well.
When not playing some sort of musical instrument Laurence was working on his devilsticking after being inspired by Steve Ragatz at the BJC. Simon was working on doing a pirouette while maintaining a chin balance, Cat was still playing with his parasol, I helped Karina continue with her passing education & Kev seems to be making good progress with 5 clubs. Hopefully he will be able to avoid severing a main artery with his throwing knives long enough for him to get a consistent qualify.
"8 singles then 4 doubles. Both sections of throws should take the same amount of time to complete when done well" - interesting exercise. I don't think I've ever tried that one.
I'll add it to my list of "things to not quite get around to trying at #bungay"
It made up a section for a routine Sean was choreographing for a local festival. We did the sequence in pairs, one starting on singles the other doubles, the aim being to keep the changes in synch. If you'd like a partner to keep time with I'll be there maybe after I've finished playing a board game, or after I've played croquet, or I may just read my book amongst the buttercups...
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