If it's a bit quiet today that may be because everyone is at BBU 2013, Kinetic Fire 2013, Forchheim Juggling Convention, Ann Arbor Juggling Arts Festival, 3rd Annual Sturtevant Camp Juggling Festival, Bibasse, Schokon 3, ŻeLKa, 27e Nederlandse Acrobatiekfestival or Fiesta dei Folli.
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Is it time for Bungay yet?
I'm still suffering from PCSD from the BJC. There are just so many more useful things I could be doing other than work.
[Video] The Hopeless Throwmantics do Humboldt!
My buddy Curt and I have been working on a duo variety show. Here's our set at the juggling festival at Humboldt State University this past March!
Hope you enjoy it!
I'm new to the juggling edge, not so new to juggling. If youre ever in Israel over the summer stop by our weekly juggling meet.
Thanks for the invite, am guessing your weekly juggling meet is Circus Playtime - the Jerusalem juggling meeting #Jerusalemjugglingmeeting
You will find people without facebook accounts cannot see your facebook groups page, at York Jugglers we tried to get round this by having an facebook organisation page as well, as these are viewable to non-facebook users (at the moment) but not sure having to have more facebook pages might be confusing for people. Hopefully the travelling jugglers will see your Juggling Edge listing with e-mail address and phone number.
Slightly envious that you have nice enough weather to have an outdoor regular meeting at 8 in the evening
Hi Uri, welcome aboard!
I've heard great things about the Israeli Juggling Festival, have you ever been? Also (bit of a longshot) do you know Itsik Orr?
FYI - Itsik has changed his name to Kulo. He's still on the juggling scene. His finale in the Israeli show at IJC was absolutely brilliant.
Just curious, is this the act he performed? It's very cool. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJrT1_SldMc
Does anyone know any good beginner/intermediate level devilstick tricks that are good to do in a performance for the general public? I'm looking to improve an existing devilstick routine I have. The stuff in the routine is generally the just 'classic' devilstick tricks, such as propellers, helicopters and various body position tick tocks.
Even basic tricks should impress your average audience. And those tricks you mentioned would look awesome with a fire devilstick!
I think the general public like tricks that are significantly visually different from each other, such as a pirouette, chin balance, stick on stick balance or juggling the devilstick and handsticks like juggling clubs.
Also remember that general audiences can enjoy tricks that we don't even think of as tricks like simply throwing it high. I think anything under the leg or behind the back is good because the audience can easily tell that it's harder and different. One handed tick tock is quite nice if you clearly show one hand isn't doing anything by putting it in the air or something.
Good luck with it!
Indeed. Let them think it's hard and you won't have to do much at all. That's quite the skill in itself though.
Where the general public is concerned a trick is only as good as your ability to sell it.
If you are just looking for visually pleasing stuff though Owen's list & advice is good. I'd also add wrist traps to that list, I always found they went down very well & they are really easy to learn.
BJC 2014 in Barnsley?
I'm hearing rumours of Darton College (Ballfield Ln, Darton, Barnsley, South Yorkshire S75 5EF?) 11-17 April 2014.
Hopefully the brave souls returning from Lestival will be able to confirm.
Yep, this was announced at Lestival. Jolly good, looks like there will be a BJC next year....
Yeah Jane is doing a great job so far. She's pulling together a team from across the country and helping to train up people, including myself, who are interested in one day running a BJC. Keep an eye on the website and twitter for more information when it gets posted. For now you can have a look at our lovely superhero themed logo and and checkout the venue (link on the website).
I'll see if I can keep you all posted!
So I'm thinking of getting a set of silicones.
I was recommended http://www.siliconeballs.com/ does anyone have experience with them? They're really cheap which is great but I'm not sure if the quality is going to be as good as the ones from other retailers...
Also, what size would people recommend? I currently have ~63mm G-force balls bu am thinking maybe a size or two smaller as I've been doing a lot of numbers stuff (8-10 balls).
58mm seems like it might be too small though, has anyone used 58mm bounce balls?
As far as I can tell, siliconeballs.com appears to be Dave Spotlight - and I wouldn't buy silicones from anyone else.
What he doesn't know about silicones isn't worth knowing.
Cool, thanks for the reply. I was slightly suspicious as they're cheaper than the G-force ones I got (though admittedly the G-force ones had a high price markup). Anyway it's good to know that it's someone that people have heard of that's running it.
I say "as far as I can tell" - I'm putting a lot of trust in what the site claims - I notice that they're significantly cheaper than jugglestore (which is *definitely* Dave) although they do mention jugglestore/spotlight everywhere.
Does anyone else know for sure?
It's linked to the facebook profile of David Marchant (but it has davidspotlight in the url so I assume it's the same person). Anyway, we'll see what others say...
In which case they're a bloody bargain at those prices!
The G-force balls are compressed rubber rather than silicone so I'm really surprised they were more expensive. Where did you buy them from?
I'm sure you've already tried silicones given the level that you are practising at but just in case you haven't you'll probably find that the compressed rubber balls have a higher return than silicones. Silicones are *not* the best ball in terms of bounce. For me their major selling point is their consistency, wonderful feel & their excellent long lasting (providing you look after them) visual appearance.
I had a set of 2.5 inch silicones a few years ago which I used mostly for toss juggling. I ended up selling them on. While I agree that they are absolutely the best type of juggling ball money can buy I also think they are over-rated & not worth the price unless you are a performer.
Yeah, I got the G-force ones from JuggleArt in Melbourne, Australia and because they have to import them all and don't sell a large amount of them, they tend to have higher prices than would be expected. However, if you get them from Play directly then they're much cheaper, but I didn't get them all at once so shipping would have made that more expensive anyway...
Yeah, I think G-force ones at least have a slightly higher bounce, but really not enough to be a big deal (at least I don't find that silicones have 'too low' a bounce). However I find that silicones do have a slightly nicer bounce however, even if it isn't as high.
But yeah, I definitely wouldn't get them just for the bounce but, even ignoring the feel and long life, they also are a bit more grippy which is useful when starting and ending high numbers and I need a new set of bounce balls anyway so instead of getting a set of G-force which won't last that long I might as well get silicones for around 1.5 times the price which will last much longer.
I'd normally agree that they're expensive enough that it might no be worth it but siliconeballs.com seems cheap enough that I think it would be.
They also have much better grip if you're doing things like adding "English" (spin) to a ball. I've never really got that to work with rubber balls (eg oddballs, which are incredibly similar to g-force balls)
Oh, and they make a lovely noise if you hold them to your ear and tap them with a fingernail :)
"Oh, and they make a lovely noise if you hold them to your ear and tap them with a fingernail :)"
Definitely the most important characteristic of a juggling ball :P
I don't do that much stuff with spin but that's a good point as well. I actually didn't use silicones at all when I was originally trying to add spin so I got used to the small amount that you can put on g-force balls, and then I tried it with some silicones and realised why it had never worked quite as well as it should have.
I can't believe I didn't mention the silicone ping!! Easily one of my favourite noises (a list that includes a duck's quack & a cat's purr).
So I borrowed some silicons from a friend to try out and work out what size to get, he had two types, one were the more standard type (white) and had the same bounce as my g-force ones, the others (coloured) had a significantly higher bounce which seemed strange. I also thought that while silicones were meant to bounce better than coloured ones.
However in general I've found that silicones do bounce lower, so I'm not sure what's different with these...
Not all sillies are the same when new; as they get older their properties can vary even more.
I have a large set of white Spotlight sillies of various sizes, which were given to me by David Marchant (aka Dr. Spotlight) for a workshop set. They are very much seconds since they all have blemishes which make them unsellable, but they are nevertheless made of good quality silicone. I also have a set of yellow Spotlight sillies which I bought as cosmetic seconds, i.e. visibly imperfect but they perform like a first quality ball. The weird thing is that the white ones feel significantly softer and squishier than the yellow ones, and have a noticeably poorer return ratio than the yellow ones, despite being made form the same basic material, by the same manufacturer. This seems consistent with your experience.
I am also a balloon modeller, and the difference that the various dyes make is marked. Good quality modelling balloons are made out of natural latex, with vegetable dyes added to create the basic colours, and presumably somewhat fancier dyes for various options such as metallic and neon finishes. The softest compound of all is the undyed ones, which appear milky white when uninflated, and almost completely translucent and colourless when blown up. The plain colours are the next softest; then the neons; and then the metallics. I have no idea what causes the difference but I am certain that it's the dyes that are responsible, and I wouldn't be the lest bit surprised if that sort of effect happened to sillies too.
Yeah, the white ones I tried also seemed a bit softer. I suppose it's just strange because I've always heard that white ones bounce slightly better due to the coloured ones having to be dyed.
Interesting, I haven't really done much with balloons so I've never really thought about the difference between different ones. That makes sense though, I'd be interested to know exactly what it is about the dyes that does it (or if it's just that the consistency changes)
I'm back after several years of inactivity. Kinda sad to see the IJDB down after all this time, but it's nice to see that the community is still strong and continuing on.
I'll try to post more over the coming days.
Yay! Nice to have you on board dan!
Have you juggled at all during your gap?
Hi. Am I correct in remembering you as a pretty sweet multiplexer?
Hello. Last I remember you were living in Singapore was it?
Inspired by Grant Goldie Kevin was trying to flip a devilstick from a handstick balance to a chin balance. Unfortunately he was just a bit too nervous about losing his teeth to be successful. Cat was playing with his lovely new parasol. I had a go too & could barely get more than one rotation before dropping the ball. Later on Cat, Karina & Jenny were passing it around by holding it upside down by the handle & throwing it with a twist for a very floaty frisbee like pass which looked nice. I also did some ball passing with Jemma who due to a spell of complacency on my part during one run was delighted to last longer than I did without dropping for the first time. I'm still delighted by the vast mass of swishing hair. Kev & Louisa (not Laura) were playing Kendama spin off, which quickly descended into seeing how fast you needed to run to make the needle spin round with it attached to your face.
I'd be interested to hear how Grant went about breaking down that trick to learn it.
I think I'd probably start by trying to go from a hand/finger balance to the chin with a small hop at first, then slowly increase the distance until I'm used to catching it on the chin. Then I'd probably start learning the kick up to a hand balance then erm, just go for it.
It might make for an interesting #bungay diversion I suppose.
The Green Eggs Report for April 2013 is now available. Last month 55 people made 480 posts containing 158 links.
6 events have new trivia: BJC 2013, Chocfest!, BJC 2012, Pauschalconvention in Braunschweig, Lünecon 2007, BKO2013.
2 events have new HLGCBS: BJC 2013, RIT Spring Juggle-In.
The first sentence of that post is missing the word "April".
No it isn't. Marvin is infallible, his word is law, he cannot err.
Apotheosis of sock-puppet robots aside, has everyone else noticed the rather healthy-looking upward trend in posting levels and numbers of links? It's taken a good few months but I'm beginning to get the hang of The Edge I think, and what seems to be the increased level and quality of traffic is a very good thing. Keep it up chaps!
Indeed, I'm very pleased with how things are going. We may not have the traffic of some of the Facebook groups but I think the quality here is fantastic, so thank you to everyone for contributing.
There also seems to be an upward trend of things that were working suddenly stop.
I think things are shaping up nicely, still plenty of room for growth but we wouldn't want to get too big too quickly as bubbles like that tend to burst!
Now, how do we get more people involved from here on in? :)
More of the same please. Just keep up the relaxed friendly chat.
I think a sudden explosion in growth would be a very bad thing for the Edge so I'd much rather keep up the slow trickle of new users coming in. The larger the deluge of people that join in the harder it is for me to adapt the site quickly enough to meet the community's needs.
Nothing to do with juggling (hurrah!) but lovely nonetheless. Juggler's cigar boxes should look like this.
Lovely indeed. I think because juggling props are thrown about & generally abused they miss out on being lovingly decorated. I've seen some beautiful Indian clubs but I don't believe they were ever intended for genuine use.
This reminds me of something I wanted to ask a while ago: Norbi, any chance of some close up pics of Francis Gadbois' boxes?
I know props in general get a lot of hammer, which can make fancy decoration difficult, but in the specific instance of cigar boxes it really wouldn't be that difficult to glue printed paper or card panels in place and then lacquer them, or even to have heavy-duty stickers printed up. I really think jugglers are missing a trick by not having their cigar boxes resemble something cuboid, such as, er, cigar boxes ;-)
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