If it's a bit quiet today that may be because everyone is at IADF or Mirabilia.
People of a certain age will remember Haggis' teach yourself club juggling video. In one section of the video Haggis shows mixing outside throws, dips, under arm throws & backcrosses all on doubles which look really nice.
One of my favourite patterns to juggle with 3 clubs is 441 with the 4s as outside throws. Last night at #Hastings I played with mixing dips into the pattern which I found quite a struggle at first due to collisions. To overcome this when throwing a dip after an outside 4 I had to train myself to throw a lot later than the peak of the preceding 4.
As an intermediate pattern I found 44142 with the first 4 as a dip & the other 4s as outside throws both pleasant to juggle & much easier to manage.
I think another pleasing pattern would be 4 club splits with the inside club thrown as a dip & the outside as an outside for each pair, but I didn't get that far.
You've seen that video? I would've thought you'd be too young to know what VHS was!
I have a feeling that when I digitized a copy of it a few years back, I found it still for sale on DVD somewhere in the UK - so never did anything with it.
Ah yes, here it is: http://www.butterfingers.co.uk/haggis-mcleods-club-juggling-passing-dvd016
The juggling instruction may still be relevant but OH MY GOD WHAT WERE PEOPLE WEARING IN THE 90S!!!!
# by Little Paul, 2012-07-07 17:43 BST Parent
I don't know how young you think I am (or how old I think I am). I have a couple Haggis videos, the whole Peapot collection on VHS, and various other juggly things.
At 25, I'm not even part of the new young juggling scene anymore.
at 25, you're practically over the hill
# by Little Paul, 2012-07-08 19:30 BST Parent
I did think you were around that age. I guess I have underestimated the staying power of VHS.
I think there is still a missing 10 years in a lot of peoples' minds. The years 2000-2010.
I know that when someone tells me something happened 10 years ago, my first reaction is some time in the 90s. 18 year olds these days, were born in the early/mid 90s.
Craziness.
Back on topic, I do remember that section. I actually give the exercise (example: find a 10 throw sequence all on doubles and all on "sideways" throws) to some students, to find "new" stuff. Underarms, flatfronts, dips and doubles are all so old that they are actually new to the younger kids...
"so old that they are actually new" is an interesting concept.
Over the years I've seen a lot of skills/tricks fall out of fashion only to be rediscovered a few years later by new jugglers and revisited - often taking it further.
So what other skills are so old that they're new at the moment?
# by Little Paul, 2012-07-08 21:04 BST Parent
Ah, there she is. Edna Squire Brown:
http://www.britishpathe.com/video/the-dance-of-the-hoops
It sounds almost artsy to say "so old that they are actually new", but I meant it quite literally. A skill which has not been seen to a whole generation of jugglers, to the point that when they see it they believe it's new.
Much like (and I hate how incredibly true this is) young girls saying that a band like Queen have copied songs from the TV show Glee.
Anyway, in answer to the question, I think these fall into the category:
- Ring Balance
- Ring Rolls (Bob Bramson style)
- 3balls bbb
In these 3 areas, I think the newest kids on the block look at Sean Blue, a lot of Swedish jugglers and Komei Aoki (respectively) as the originators/creators/popularizers/whatever you want to call it of said skills.
This happens when their generation never got a chance to see these skills before those guys doing it, leading to thinking they are brand new concepts, et voilà they become "new" again.
As a member of the "new" generation (17 counts, right?) and as a juggler in love with bbb and pinball tricks (due almost entirely to the influence of Komei Aoki and the acquisition of russian style balls), I'm curious as to who were the older originators/creators/popularizers/etc. of 3 balls bbb. I'd had a feeling it was pretty old as it seems like Jay has been doing it for quite a while, but I never knew who really got it going.
I'm always surprised when I see a really old video of somebody doing I trick that I'd thought was only recently discovered (older video of Luke Wilson comes to mind as one of the first examples of this), though at this point it has happened enough that the surprise has become less intense.
# by Juggling fool, 2012-07-09 00:26 BST Parent
What makes me smile most about your post is that you describe Jay Gilligan and Luke Wilson as old ;-)
I can't pin down any names at the moment (it's too early on a Monday morning for that sort of detail) but I'm pretty sure 3 balls BBB has been around in at least a basic form since the 1950s. I'm pretty sure I've seen it in some newsreel footage from around then.
# by Little Paul, 2012-07-09 09:37 BST Parent
Thanks for the examples, I'm sure there are probably more (seems to be a resurgence in kickups recently, cigar boxes saw a revival and injection of new ideas a couple of years ago etc)
I think for me personally, the example which contained the most surprises for me was this video:
http://juggling.tv/1857
That's packed full of tricks which I had assumed were newer than they appear to be (and includes a couple which are probably due for a revival)
# by Little Paul, 2012-07-09 09:32 BST Parent
That was pretty cool.
Spinning one club while it is held by two others was well impressive.
I think of it as Blind Behind the Back - but I think that's functionally equivalent to what you wrote ;-)
# by Little Paul, 2012-07-09 12:29 BST Parent
I prefer behind the back blinds. They let the sun in so beautifully.
And everyone is blind bheind the back.
Thanks though. :)
Those are exactly the years missing in my mind. Thought I was the only one!
My twin teaches 6-7 years olds; they were all born in 2005-2006. Even more craziness.
Those years are missing in my mind too, I wonder is it partly because the decade doesn't really have a name like other decades, 60s 70s 80s etc? For me that decade seemed to whiz by faster than any before, perhaps just down to my age.
I have some old IJA VHS videos, I never saw a shower behind the neck (hands in front) before recently though - Yuri was the first I think. It seems quite an 'obvious' thing to do with a shower, anyone know how far that goes back?
# by pumpkineater23, 2012-07-09 16:52 BST Parent
In my mind, that decade is also missing some kind of coherent identity in the way of fashion or popular music or trendy subcultures. I guess we had skinny jeans, but those are still here!
I guess we also had the rise of digital music, reality TV, and ubiquitous internet, but those seem terribly transparent compared to bell bottoms, free love, punk, or giant shoulder pads.
Agreed. Perhaps I am still too close to the decade to be able to see them, or, just older and not as much of a part of that decade as the previous couple. Similarly I was wondering if there has been a lack of real counterculture recently, things seem more organised and X-factorised in some way. Or is it just that there is plenty, I'm just not exposed to it, I grump about the weather and stuff like that instead.
# by pumpkineater23, 2012-07-09 17:59 BST Parent
I'm missing those years as well. Good to know it's not just me!
I think part of the problem is that the word 'noughties' is excruciating.
Yes, thankfully it'll be the 20s again soon and we'll be back to a proper name. Are we approaching the teens?
# by pumpkineater23, 2012-07-09 18:34 BST Parent
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