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So I guess talking about juggling is now acceptable! :D
I got my longest run of 5 balls yesterday. 410 catches, clean and almost effortless. Should I move on to 5 rings before 6 & 7? I've spent months working primarily on the 5 ball cascade so I have the feel for the cascade. Also, I've never seen anyone perform 6 objects (except Pavel Evsukevich). So is it even worthwhile learning?
As a general rule, how good do you have to be to say you've mastered something? 10 x in a row? On demand? And where I spent 30 minutes a day just on 5, should I spend that much time on 6 and 7? Because 5 balls can be learned in a few months but 6 and 7 can take a year or more. (From what I've heard). Tell me about your experience with numbers!! Thanks!
I think you should move on to whatever takes your fancy! The wonderful thing about juggling is that there's no set progression. You want to learn 5 rings? Learn 5 rings. Want to learn 6/7 balls? Great! Learn 6 or 7 balls!
The skills aren't even mutually exclusive, so you can learn 5 rings and 6 balls and 7 balls all at the same time (well not *literally* at the same time, that would be 18 objects and that's a bit hard)
In my book, if no one performs something, that makes it *more* worth learning. Why would you want to perform the same thing everyone else does? Sounds like sheep thinking to me :) - besides, if you're thinking about performing I think you should start performing as soon as possible. It's a skill like anything else, you'll suck at first then get better with practice. Unfortunately, it's kinda tricky to practice it without an audience.
As for "how good do you have to be to say you've mastered something" - for me, I've mastered something when I can pick up the props and do the trick for as long as I want to, first time. Some people say "you've mastered it when you've got 1000 catches" or some other arbitrary limit, but in my experience I know when I've mastered something. I just *know*
Hope some of that's useful :)
# by Little Paul, 2013-05-15 16:52 BST Parent
It's as acceptable as it will ever be.
I'm bored of 5 rings, 6 & 7 balls so don't bother learning any of them... unless you can do something new & interesting with them in which case definitely learn that. If you enjoy juggling those numbers this is also a very good reason to spend time learning them.
As for how long you should spend practising, spend as much time as you have enthusiasm for. With 5 balls I spent probably 2 hours a day for a couple of weeks. For 6 balls I forced myself to do an hour a day every day which I did for a whole year, which in hindsight was almost a complete waste of time (I did learn how not to learn which was useful). I really enjoyed learning 5, I was really enthusiastic about it & success was almost immediate for me I was regularly qualifying within a couple of days. With 6 I got to 200+ throws but it was really hard work & I didn't enjoy it. I mastered 5 very quickly but I can still only 'juggle' 6. If I don't enjoy practising something I know I won't learn it well.
My definition of mastered is similar to LPs in that I must be able to start and stop at will. Meaning pick up the prop & run the trick first time for as long as I want then finish cleanly.
Congrats on the 410 catches of 5. That must be almost 2 minutes - Definitely a pretty solid pattern! Have you learnt much in the way of tricks or siteswap with 5?
I would suggest learning 5 rings, 6 balls and 7 balls all at the same time. And six objects is definitely worth learning! It lacks the incredible difficulty of 7 when it comes to tricks and siteswaps, while being enough balls in the air that it feels like you're juggling improbable numbers. And hey! I do 6 ball stuff in my act. Plenty of people out there are doing stuff with 6!
Where you spent 30 minutes a day just on 5, split it however you like best. 10 minutes on 7 (or more) would probably be good though.
"Tell me about your experience with numbers!!" - Numbers are very very very very very hard.
You all have been very helpful! It's awesome to get feedback and insight.
I had no idea that you can work on different numbers/props. I usually have a one track mind and do something until I get it. Not the best way to practice I suppose, but I always learn faster than I expected to.
Personally I'd rather watch 5 than 6. Lot more tricks with 5 than with 6 & 7. But I want to be a good juggler so I stretch myself. Balls will always be my favorite, but I do want to get into clubs and rings as well. The variety is interesting.
I like the various definitions of mastery. I'm not quite there yet of course, but a month ago I couldn't do 100 catches. Now I can do it almost every time. I haven't learned any site swaps (my ceiling is two feet taller than my head which made learning 5 very difficult.) Half shower is taking lots of time to learn. I can get 10 over the top and then the whole thing crashes.
Don't worry about the half shower. A friend of mine who is absolutely mega beast at 5 ball siteswaps still has trouble running the half shower.
Good luck with 6 and 7 balls :)
# by Rob van Heijst, 2013-05-15 22:48 BST Parent
Mega beast at 5 ball siteswap and struggles with half shower? Are you sure this friend of yours isn't joking???
If the ceiling is only two foot above your head, learning half shower, reverse cascade and 645 should be fine. Do you have a place to practice 6 & 7 balls that is different though? Learning those under such circumstances will be tremendously difficult! Same for 5 rings...
I guess we all have different learning curves
# by Rob van Heijst, 2013-05-19 13:57 BST Parent
Perhaps not so relevant for numbers, but for me, no 3b juggling stuff can ever be mastered. Anything can be always adjusted slightly by alternating speed/rhythm or changing the shape. Rather than mastering something I think of it in terms of when I can do it comfortably enough to utilise it for something.
# by pumpkineater23, 2013-05-23 14:20 BST Parent
So you wouldn't even say you've mastered the 3-ball cascade? Surely, if tricks have specific definitions, you can feel you can juggle that for an arbitrary length of time without difficulty? Doesn't that qualify as mastery?
I can run a 3b cascade easily enough if the pattern is uniform, in a comfortable position and at a certain width and height. I can't juggle that wide flat horizontal cascade very well and I can't alternate horizontal with high and narrow, it becomes sloppy weak and out of control. I would have to practice a lot to keep certain rhythms even within the kind of throws I am comfortable with so I'm a long way from being able to play with them in an effortless spontaneous kind of way.
I suppose I could say I've mastered the 3b cascade at its most basic level but that doesn't seem, to me, to be mastery because it's not full command.
# by pumpkineater23, 2013-05-24 00:17 BST Parent
I don't know how long you've been juggling or how much you practice or how good you want to be, but I can almost guarantee that if you learn 4, your 3 will improve drastically.
That's a great tip Nicholas, thank you. It would certainly improve certain aspects of my 3b juggling. For the time being though my limited practice time is reserved for other stuff.
# by pumpkineater23, 2013-05-24 19:36 BST Parent
Lost property - #bjc2013
(Reposting from FB)
"We still have LOTS of lost property from BJC 2013!
PLEASE read the list and let us know if any of it is yours by e-mailing info@bjc2013.co.uk
Any stuff not claimed by the end of June will be disposed of.
If something is yours, but you don't want it, please let us know so we don't hang on to it unnecessarily.
Juggling Stuff:
Black and gold taped hoop
2 orange rings
2 black rings
1 green ring
1 blue Henry’s club
1 orange club with white handle
Blue and purple tail poi
Pedal-go
Black diabolo & handsticks
Silicon-coated stick
Green rubber ball
Navy contact ball
5 four-coloured thuds
1 black and yellow thud
4 white ball, variously decayed
1 red ball
1 small glow ball
1 clear acrylic
Astrojax
Camping Stuff:
2 green rollmats with black straps
Black mallet
Green glowstick torch
Blue and white checked mug
Navy ‘Interaction Recruitment’ mug
Black thermal beaker
Purple thermal mug with lid
2 silver thermal mugs with lids
2 blue plastic beakers
Yellow and black foot pump
Junior camping chair
1 rainbow coloured blanket
Sleeping bag
Camping chair
Random Stuff:
Scooter
European Nokia charger
USB to ? cable
Travel multi-adaptor
‘New Look’ purse (empty)
Small, clear rectangle
1 red cushion
1 green cushion
1 cushion no cover
Pale pink hand towel
Watch
Cufflinks
Glasses
Camera lens hood
Balloon pump
Clothing:
10 jackets (fleeces and waterproofs etc.)
Child’s black and yellow Adidas coat, labelled ‘Oscar’
6 tops (ladies and mens)
Long johns
3 scarves
1 buff
4 hats
3 odd gloves
3 pairs of gloves
Coat hood"
That's what I've suggested, there was interest in some of the stuff from people at Lestival! so they may as well.
If there are any of the poker chips that I was using for crew meal tokens I would really like them back if possible.In fact if you bring me any at Bungay I will cook you dinner one night.
I have 3 meal tokens - sadly I'm barred from Bungay this year, but I will send them with Jak.
Sam found a jam jar full of them - she'll send them back to you via one of the Yorkies who are going to Bungay!
What is this mysterious small, clear rectangle?
I'm looking at the list & thinking about what I could build out of all that. I haven't thought of anything particularly creative yet, but it would be nice to use the cushions & some of the clothing to pad out the long johns, one of the tops, one of the jackets into a guy & sit him/her in the camp chair.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYKTWvkn1F8
# by Rob van Heijst, 2013-05-15 18:32 BST Parent
I enjoyed this scooter video:
http://youtu.be/K6jEzM-I6FA
Features some nice slow motion shots of some of the more intricate tricks which are well into the world of object manipulation (I think I've said that before about a skateboarding video). It's very well shot too. The cameraman does an excellent job of following the action which given the speed of the scooterer(?) compared to most jugglers this puts a lot of juggling videos to shame.
Object manipulation yes, but the surrounding is far more relevant with skating/scootering hence the more dynamic (is that the right word?) videos.
The scootering was great. Like you say, intricate tricks and really fast. I didn't realise people were doing that kind of stuff with scooters.
It just reminded me of the only time I tried one of those. Twas the early hours of the morning a few years back and I was fairly tipsy. I spotted my friends daughters scooter as I left their house and decided to borrow it for the journey home. Their house is at one of the highest points in Brighton (Brighton is hilly) and I live by the beach so it's a door to door downhill run. Similar to skiing, it was a great feeling traversing the empty streets. Luckily there were no skips with planks left temptingly propped up against them.
# by pumpkineater23, 2013-03-20 14:44 GMT Parent
I think the biggest thing this video (and skate videos) benefits from, which is lacking in juggling videos, is camera movement.
They're clearly using a pretty basic (probably home made but the looks of the shadow) steady cam setup, which gives a wonderfully flowing sense of movement as they follow the scooter around the space. Even when the camera is staying in one place, it's not on a tripod, it's on the camera stabilizer which means it can follow the action without feeling rigid.
You just don't seem to get that level of movement in juggling videos. Ok so it's partly because the juggler is static, but it also seems to be that most juggling videos seem to lack a cameraman. So much of the time it's "lock the camera off and leave it alone for the duration of the shot"
# by Little Paul, 2013-03-20 18:19 GMT Parent
You can see a few shots of the set up they are using in the closing credits.
Looking at the "behind the scenes" video, it looks like a low budget but commercially manufactured rig, it's a very simple design and easy enough to replicate yourself for not much money.
Design wise, it's pretty close to http://johngushue.typepad.com/blog/2008/03/a-diy-steadicam.html
# by Little Paul, 2013-03-21 13:48 GMT Parent
"You just don't seem to get that level of movement in juggling videos. Ok so it's partly because the juggler is static"
Indeed. However - panning across the action, moving around the action, strafing with the camera, and other similar techniques can add dynamism to a static shot.
Unfortunately jugglers suffer from the try-a-trick-for-an-hour-to-get-it-once-syndrome. As to skaters to an extent, but there is a lot less danger to the body in juggling, so a juggler could literally try a move for 45 minutes non-stop whereas a skater would be in too much pain after 10. Because of this, the camera is less likely to want to walk around a juggler for 30 minutes waiting for him to get his sequence.
good point about the repeatable shot thing.
Also, when a skater misses a trick, they hurt themselves - and you can make a whole other video out of that.
If a juggler misses a trick, it just looks like he sucks. There's no real market for juggler "fail" videos ;)
# by Little Paul, 2013-03-21 13:51 GMT Parent
No market you say? ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvD9Smn-dg0
# by Rob van Heijst, 2013-03-21 15:42 GMT Parent
Perhaps some kind of moving camera rail that takes a set time (10sec - 30sec for example) to get from point A to point B, set to repeat. Rather like a time-lapse slider, but faster.
# by pumpkineater23, 2013-03-21 17:07 GMT Parent
... a modified electric toy roller coaster might do the job, something like this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Knex-Amusement-Series-Roller-Coaster/dp/B001721YTG
# by pumpkineater23, 2013-03-21 17:23 GMT Parent
My one regret. Please Help!
Dear The Juggling Edge,
It was EJC in Spain. Out on the lawn near the Vollyclub and Hammocks was a lady.
This Lady sold a bag. Not just any bag, but one that has an individual slot for 3 clubs. You then roll it up, tie a little tie, and throw it over your shoulder.
I, in a moment of madness, did not buy this bag. For some reason, I let it out of my grasp.
I have never seen her again.
The Jugling Edge, Please help. Does anyone know who I am talking about? I want this bag and I fear my only way to get it is....gulp.....make it myself.
God Speed,
Jimifun
Re: My one regret. Please Help!
Hi Jimi!
Unfortunately I don´t know anything as convenient as what you describe, but I do know something that´s pretty handy. Al you need is a strong rope. You make a knot in the rope so that you have a cirle. Next you tie the string to your backpack. Then you wrap 3 clubs in the rope and pull the rope one underneath it so it´s good strong.
This is the finished result: http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/577467_283472705080657_100002537892179_590934_1687010387_n.jpg
If you want to I can make step to step pictures :)
Rob
# by Rob van Heijst, 2012-05-06 16:52 BST Parent
Re: My one regret. Please Help!
I've done something similar with velcro strips. I can't seem to get my head around the method you're describing. I tried it a few times, and the second and third club always come loose with a bit of shaking. Obviously one can tie three different knots, but with what you're suggesting, it seems quicker to tie and quicker to untie using just the one and a couple wraps. If you could post more pictures or a bit more information on your method, I'd be happy to post a picture of my velcro. Although admittedly my velcro isn't very compelling.
-alex
# by nomorepoetsplease, 2012-05-21 02:17 BST Parent
Re: My one regret. Please Help!
I've found that if you take three thick hairties and just slip them onto your belt then you can hold your clubs on those. Handy part is that if you want to use the clubs you just pull and they come free. I've worked on some more "better/adaptable" solutions, I'll post them up as soon as I find them. If you were at BJC this year and saw some people with clubs just hanging around the belt area they were probably the holders that I made.
Re: My one regret. Please Help!
Whenever I've done the "sling the clubs over my shoulder on a piece of string" thing, I've found that bunching up the clubs then tying a larks head around them to hit a good balance between secure and simple.
Larks head knot in video form...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyzUmetVJFA
The weight of the clubs acts to tighten the knot, but it's still easy to undo. For carrying 6 clubs, I use a loop of string and tie them on in two bunches of three using opposite sides of the loop.
# by Little Paul, 2012-05-21 15:18 BST Parent
5 Ball Workshop
Hi everyone,
Learn 5 balls in 6 weeks!
My name is Daniel and I have spend about a year on getting a stable 5 ball
cascade.
In the last 3 years I have been asked the following question over a hundred
times:
How do you juggle 5 balls?
I figured many beginning jugglers simply do not know the steps they should
take to learn this skill, and even if they do they don't apply them properly.
This has inspired me to write a small (e)book with a training program for
juggling 5 balls. The book will take you from your very first flash to long
runs of 5 balls. It will be the book I wish I had when I just started!
I have attended workshops from many great jugglers, spoken to many circus
school teachers, and from this knowledge I have written out a 6 week program
to teach you to juggle 5 balls. Each week you will be asked to invest about
half an hour to one hour into training, spread over 3 days. (eg 3x 15 minutes)
To fine tune the program I want to find some volunteers who would like to test
out this program!
What I expect:
You can juggle a bit with 4 balls and are motivated to move on
You will spend up to 1 hour a week training your 5 ball skills according to
the program
You want to email me every week about the process and answer a survey at the
very end.
Of course if you loose interest you can step out any moment.
What you receive
A program that will teach you 5 balls in 6 weeks for free, one email per week.
The possibility to ask questions personally to me
The ebook for free once it is finished
If you are interested, please send me an email:
5ball@danielsiegmund.nl
I am taking only 10 participants, otherwise I wont be able to keep track of
everyone personally.
If you have friends who want to learn this skill please forward them to me as
well!
Thanks in advance,
Daniel Siegmund.
---
More information about the future (e)book:
I want to fill it up with
- 4 ball tricks
- information on posture, technique etc,
- 5 ball tricks
- tips on where to look afterwards, finding the juggling community, learning
more and more, everything that the beginning juggler needs
- Some tips on 5 clubs and 5 rings
If you have any comments about this project, share them below :)
Re: 5 Ball Workshop
I'm really interested in the results of this. When I learned 5 balls I found that it took mea long time to learn, but Ferko told me that after he showed me how to juggle 5 balls a week later I did around 5-10 catches while having a backpack on. But I think it probably took at least a year before I had it solid. Maybe even 2 years.
Only 1 hour a week seems very short, but that's probably to not bore people. I did maybe 40 minutes (already 5-6 years ago so I don't know this for sure anymore :))a day which included 15 minutes at school.
If I can do a guesse I'd say the average highest run after 6 weeks would be 25-35 catches depending on the talent that somebody has.
# by Rob van Heijst, 2012-06-30 22:28 BST Parent
Re: 5 Ball Workshop
For someone who has not flashed yet the aim would be to double qualify every now and then. So yes, 25 to 35 record is what I expect.
So far there has not been much interest shown, anybody else out there who struggles with 5 and needs a boost?
Re: 5 Ball Workshop
I think the reason for the lack of contestants maybe is because people who can only juggle 4 balls are probably not into juggling that much and they'll probably not be on juggling sites like the Edge. Have you only promoted your training on here?
# by Rob van Heijst, 2012-07-06 21:18 BST Parent
Re: 5 Ball Workshop
Hmm, I might be interested but fear I may not be motivated that much to follow through. I keep trying to learn five balls but often it is the motivation that isn't there. How good a four ball juggler do they need to be?
Not juggling per se, but I thought that a few of you might enjoy this. Reminds me of a Bristol convention a few years ago, where several of us tried to throw a spoon into a wine bottle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j3KCDOXwVo
# by Tom Derrick, 2013-03-08 20:43 GMT
We should really do a jugglers collab of one of these. I'm sure we could make some fantastic shots between us. Anyone up for it?
As a little aside, I often wonder how many times it would take for someone who can't juggle to fluke flashing 5,6 and/or 7 balls just once.
Collab sounds fun, its not a hobby of mine but I could definitely make up something hard in my room and film this a hundred times until it works :)
the hardest part is making it look like you don't really give a shit, when you finally do get it in
# by Little Paul, 2013-03-09 19:47 GMT Parent
Could be... I myself thought that the hardest would be filming something that is convincingly real. With many shots I see I can not help but think how easy it could have been faked!
Thinking back, the apparent meticulousness of the counting impressed me more than the throwing!
I´m in for a collabaration if more people are doing it.
# by Rob van Heijst, 2013-03-09 20:57 GMT Parent
Of course!
# by Tom Derrick, 2013-03-10 20:57 GMT Parent
Great stuff!
Also reminds me of a game at an EJC (Ptuj?) which involved sitting around a table trying to throw a biro into a beer bottle.
Ptuj it was. I remember after watching Robin this trying continuously for 45 minutes I managed to get it on my 4th attempt. Very happy day!
# by jamesfrancis, 2013-03-09 10:50 GMT Parent
Yup, Ptuj, I was in that game too :-)
I got it eventually. No idea how many attempts I made, but I think it was somewhere around the 20 - 30 min mark!
It was amusing how many OCD jugglers we managed to suck into the game that day :-)
# by Richard Loxley, 2013-03-10 14:24 GMT Parent
And this again (I was not in ptuij) reminds me of EJC in poland, where there was a huge circle of jugglers (perhaps 30+?)sitting and trying to throw a club with the body on the ground and have it land standing on the top. Many succeeded, many were sitting there for hours...
Sounds exactly like Corx.
http://www.corx.net/
Haha, yeah. This can be done with a toilet paper roll too btw (not too hard, my record is like 3 in a row.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9_Q9bNEHxo
That was awesome! & looking at the number of attempts that the feats took in the top right I don't think those numbers were particularly high.
I liked the double coat hanger throw the best.
This video reminded me of this one:
http://youtu.be/LOYTQKoJ1N8
I heard he did it on the first take ;)
Reminds me of "A Normal Day"
http://youtu.be/86p62pKVtO4
Which was filmed way back in 2006 (and does include just a little bit of juggling).
Coo! Yes, I remember that! I've made a mental note to re-watch it when I get home tonight.
I seem to remember being impressed by something to do with a hat, and something else to do with a toothbrush - but really can't remember what.
# by Little Paul, 2013-03-13 13:02 GMT Parent
You wouldn't believe how much googling it took to locate that video - A vague memory of some video featuring a couple of jugglers with the word 'ordinary' in the title was my starting point.
Hahaha! Good effort then!
# by Little Paul, 2013-03-14 10:53 GMT Parent
I'd forgotten about that one. The consistent lighting on the outdoor shots suggests they were able to film in a short period of time or the weather is very consistent where they are!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsjqY4dFLdM A while a ago I started a little project were I would make 1 trick a day for 50 days in a row. Didn't succeed because adventually it took 88 days. But who cares? :)
I hope you enjoy watching it :)
# by Rob van Heijst, 2013-03-04 19:07 GMT
I did enjoy that. The best thing about this video: You look like you genuinely enjoy juggling!
Also good to see that you tidied your room 3:13 in.
I like the ball shelf that appears at 3:43. Is that a normal shelf that's been cut at an angle to stop balls rolling off? The juggling is great too.
Well spotted! I like that, if I actually juggled at home any more, I'd be rushing out to build one of those
# by Little Paul, 2013-03-05 09:15 GMT Parent
It's a straight shelf that used to be from my brother to put toy cars on. On the sides at the bottom we put 2 tiny pieces of wood so that it has a tiny angle towards the wall. It works great and was an awesome christmas present.
I'm glad you liked my juggling :)
# by Rob van Heijst, 2013-03-05 18:13 GMT Parent
A great assortment of tricks, I really enjoyed the series.
# by pumpkineater23, 2013-03-06 11:39 GMT Parent
Andy needed a subject for a photography project so I dutifully obliged (although if I'd known I might have shaved). He wanted to take photos of siteswaps & other patterns & focus on the blurs formed by the moving hands. Initially he asked for 'iconic siteswaps' which I was skeptical about. I don't really believe that still images can capture a moving pattern well but I'm willing to try anything (within reason). For me the most iconic siteswap is (6x,4)* which I thought would be hard to distinguish from other patterns with a high throw, 744 for example. After seeing the photo of the balls in the air with me in focus in the middle & 2 vertical blurry bits where my arms are though I had to change my mind, I can't exactly explain why but it is really obvious what pattern I am juggling. We also tried lots of popular hand wavy tricks such as Burkes barrage, Rubenstein's etc. After seeing those pics I thought the best result would be a simple clawed cascade which came out pretty well.
I think most of us are looking forward to getting back to the usual hall next month. The church is a lovely space but it is deathly cold!
#hcc
What void said :)
# by Little Paul, 2013-03-02 15:46 GMT Parent
I have provided the photographer with a way of getting them to us...
... & here we go:
http://www.jugglingedge.com/userfiles/Bosco/blurryhands/
Unfortunately, once something becomes long exposure, it disappears more and more. You can never really get a nice photo of the path of hands because after a couple of seconds you won't have any hands left.
What could be nice is to have some lights, like an LED attached to a finger, and do a longer exposure. We have all seen long exposure glow-ball photos, but there is never focus on what the hands do.
Or option 2 would be to shoot in burst mode (with a camera capable of say 6-8 photos per second) and overlay the part of the hands in each photo so we see the path in stages.
Oh and that reminds me (mini thread hijack), some people might like this: https://vimeo.com/54024393
I did experiment with using strobe lighting to photograph jugglers at one point. Turns out to be much harder than expected to juggle when you're lit mostly by a 10Hz strobe. The balls just don't quite do what your brain thinks they're doing. If I can blag a strobe from somewhere I might bring it to BJC for another go.
The long exposure approach might work better if you fiddle with the lighting. Drop the ambient light down significantly, but light the area the hands are in with some fairly tight beams. This should give the hands much better contrast relative to the scene and make them less prone to "disappearing" into the ambient.
LEDs on the finger tips (or el-wire on a pair of gloves?) would give a different effect. Hmm. I think I'd probably put a line of leds down one side of the hand (from finger tip to wrist) and then around the wrist. Might take a fair bit of experimentation to get the best/most "volumetric" effect.
I like the filled solid in your video though. That would be nice to do with club passing I think, or 5 ring pancakes? Does anyone have a motion capture studio to hand (or fancy building one out of a couple of XBox Kinects?)
# by Little Paul, 2013-03-06 16:13 GMT Parent
oh - one other option. Instead of burst mode, shoot HD video then dump it to a series of stills. Stack the stills as layers in photoshop and get masking!
# by Little Paul, 2013-03-06 16:15 GMT Parent
I had thought about that after my post. Although as a quality snob, I would be sad to only have a 2mpx photo at the end.
The current hottest GoPro (HERO3 Black Edition) can shoot 3840x2160 at 15fps (which would give you a final photo of 8.3mpx), it can also burst 30 12mpx photos in one second (but for only one second). If anyone has got one of those, it's the cheapest high-quality option.
Of course if anyone has a RED EPIC, it has a max resolution of 5120x2700 (13.8mpx) at 96fps....
We're going for internet, not for print. 2mpx is fine!
# by Little Paul, 2013-03-06 20:31 GMT Parent
I have some gloves with LEDs on finger-tips, maybe if someone brings a decent camera to juggling we could experiment. Don't have access to lighting, how dark would work best?
"Don't have access to lighting" - nonsense! :)
Do you know 3 people with torches or bike lights? Then turn of almost all the lights in the hall (apart from the torches obviously) and try something like this (viewed from above)
http://lpbk.net/misc/lighting_sketch.jpg
My drawing skilz0rs are a bit weak, but you get the idea.
The two people either side of the juggler should be pointing their torches at the hands, away from the jugglers body as far as possible. I know it says the person behind the juggler is stood on a chair, but I've changed my mind. They're holding the torch pointing it straight at the jugglers back, so the juggler is between the torch and the camera.
That *should* give you enough light for a 5 second or so exposure of the hands, a bit of an idea of the juggler, and not much of the room. The spill from the torches will light the front of the juggler and the light behind the juggler will give them a cool outline glow so we can still see them.
I'd use white balls for this rather than globalls, as globalls would distract from the hand movements.
# by Little Paul, 2013-03-06 20:30 GMT Parent
Almost managed to take photos, but no one could work out how to make the camera do long exposures and then we got distracted by shiny flashing things. Maybe try again at BJC #bjc2013 in a few weeks time?
That reminds me of a renegade back in the 1990s (I think it was at Wessex convention). They had a strobe light in the big top, and they challenged anyone to do whatever their particular skill was under strobe light. Most failed spectacularly.
They did have a tightwire at the back of the stage, and I was seriously tempted to try that. But I was too chicken as it could have been very painful if it wasn't as easy as I hoped it might be!
# by Richard Loxley, 2013-03-07 14:06 GMT Parent
At one of the early Chocfests we had a strobe light, it might have been to try and see who could do the fastest devilstick propeller, it was fun though perhaps a little reckless as we forgot to warn any epileptics in the audience.
# by York Jugglers, 2013-03-07 14:30 GMT Parent
I've got this image of a 5b cascade made with a camcorder: http://tinyurl.com/d9ah3e5
# by Rob van Heijst, 2013-03-06 17:55 GMT Parent
I wasn't at my sharpest last night. It took me a while to work out that the reason I kept smacking myself in the back of the head with my skipping rope was because of Kev interfering behind me. I got my own back by skating backwards into him later in the evening. Cat & I tried to learn a new skill: plaiting a girl's hair. I entered into the new task with my usual, "how hard can it be?" after all it's just a reverse cascade. Most humans are 75% water but Jemma is 75% hair. Yeah, I made a complete mess of it. During gladiators Simon put a crushing blow through my pattern straight into my face, nothing to do with me not being sharp, I think that happens most weeks. Up the pub we were accosted by a performing hypnotist who I think later wished he hadn't. With Kevin he tried the trick where you ask the volunteer to clasp their hands together tightly then extend & hold the index fingers apart, then experience the 'mysterious magical pull' as the finger tips are drawn together. Unfortunately juggler's fingers are generally stronger & less prone to fatigue than most people's so it didn't really work.
#twjc #haircare #cynical
Ahum bar bar ahum bar bar.. Bar bar ahum bar bar...
# by pumpkineater23, 2013-02-28 20:24 GMT Parent
Ru? V pna'g gryy jurgure be abg lbh'ir qvfpbirerq gur ebg13 shapgvba
Call that double dutching? Mine is clearly superior.
# by pumpkineater23, 2013-03-01 11:47 GMT Parent
Double dutch trumps gobbledygook.
Bar bar ahumbar bar.
# by pumpkineater23, 2013-03-01 16:08 GMT Parent
V fcbggrq vg nobhg n jrrx ntb, ohg V pna'g frrz gb svaq vg abj fb V'ir qbar guvf ol unaq.
Jung qb V jva?
# by Little Paul, 2013-03-01 19:48 GMT Parent
Nothing compared to the power of double dutch.
# by pumpkineater23, 2013-03-01 20:58 GMT Parent
Merely gibberish.. feel the power of my double dutch. Ahum bar bar..
# by pumpkineater23, 2013-03-01 21:05 GMT Parent
Vg'f gnttrq ba gur raq bs gur 'fbzr ugzy nyybjrq' ovg sbe gubfr jvgu gur cynva grkg cbfg pbzcbfvgvba bcgvba (pyvpx shyy ercyl vs lbh ner hfvat gur vayvar ercyl bcgvba). Pyvpx gb rapbqr/qrpbqr jubyr zrffntr be fryrpg grkg & pyvpx gb rapbqr/qrpbqr gur fryrpgvba. Nabgure srngher gung unf ab erny ernfba gb or urer ohg jnf sha gb nqq!
Nccneragyl jr jva gur novyvgl gb gnyx nobhg Chzcxvarngre oruvaq uvf onpx.
I had no idea you were so proficient in the art of Nabgure gung. Ok, I admit defeat.. for now.
# by pumpkineater23, 2013-03-02 15:08 GMT Parent
Proberen jullie nou Nederlands te praten? Want dan falen jullie best wel hard.
# by Rob van Heijst, 2013-03-02 19:21 GMT Parent
rot13 ziet er veel op het Nederlands, dat is waar
# by Little Paul, 2013-03-02 20:52 GMT Parent
Edam naar achteren gemaakt
# by pumpkineater23, 2013-03-02 21:07 GMT Parent
Die zin is zo slecht dat ik geen idee heb wat je nou probeert te zeggen :p
# by Rob van Heijst, 2013-03-02 21:34 GMT Parent
Edam is achteruit gemaakt?
# by pumpkineater23, 2013-03-02 21:45 GMT Parent
Qrmr vf rra ina zvwa snibevgr fgbzzr tencwrf. Znne urg jrexg avrg va iregnyvat!
Ik houd van stomme grapjes. Mag ik de vertaling horen? :)
# by Rob van Heijst, 2013-03-02 22:23 GMT Parent
hahahahahaha! :)
# by Little Paul, 2013-03-02 22:52 GMT Parent
That poor, poor hypnotist....
Also, plaiting hair is just a three-strand sinnet. Easy enough. I usually mess it up by trying to complicate matters.
I was accosted at a party once by someone "subtly" practicing his cold reading. He was discussing stuff he made up about me, and trying to get me to confirm it... I wasn't interested in giving him a yay or nay about his overly personal observations and wanted to change the subject. So I said "So I totally think you should go into the business of going on stage and persuading gullible people that you're talking to their dead relatives".
And he said that was in fact what he did for a living. Then he ran off at high speed.
SCORE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p98KAEif3bI *Spoiler Alert*
Beautiful short film about a man who has lost his believes in himself and 'works' in the sideshow of the circus where he is found by another circus director who's got one of the first circuses where the performers are appreciated by there talents and not by the disabilities that they have. He finds the strength within himself and starts enjoying his life again.
# by Rob van Heijst, 2013-02-21 20:28 GMT
At least that is my interpration of this film.
# by Rob van Heijst, 2013-02-21 20:28 GMT Parent
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