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Jaz Auden -

Clubs that you currently own?

I can only juggle four clubs but I own sixteen:
- 3 flare one piece super spins ( glow in the dark ) these were the clubs I learnt with years and years ago
- 4 yellow juggle dreams with silver wrapped handles, which are now falling apart as they were used to learn four clubs
- 3 green mr babche
- 6 white and black Henry delphins which i use for everything now and are awesome for passing.

Ps. anyone going to Glastonbury? Il be there with my clubs so bring yours.

DavidCain - - Parent

I own at least 250-300 clubs, including at least 150 different types.
www.jugglingmuseum.com
David

Mike Moore - - Parent

I own 0 clubs.

Maria - - Parent

I can juggle 4 clubs, I can pass 7 with another passer who is at about the same level as me.

I own 11 clubs:
- My first clubs, I think they are MrBabache, has some cracks in the handles that make them a bit uncomfortable to juggle. Not using them any more.
- 3 blue Delphins, I use them for indoor juggling at home (so I don't need to un-pack my juggling bag) and when I want to bring extra clubs for passing or as spares.
- 5 purple Delphins, my main clubs right now. They need some repairs soon, the rubber top fell off from one recently, one feels a bit unstable (like if the screws were loose bute they are not) and one more was close to losing the rubber top this weekend. Might have to let Henry's take care of them at EJC, maybe juggle mixed purple and blue clubs until then.

peterbone - - Parent

10 Delphins and a few parts from old clubs incase I need to do a repair.

Little Paul - - Parent

I've downsized somewhat, and I think I'm currently down to:

- 7 delphins
- 6 freaks acrobats
- 3 beard circus specials
- 5ish very broken renegade 95's which I promised Colin E I would fix and then pass on to a deserving cause about 8 years ago

Technically I do still own at least 3 fire torches and "some" knives, but I have no idea where they are. I last saw them in my parents garage.

I'm considering selling the delphins to fund the purchase of a smaller number of clubs that are closer to my taste.

They're white body/white handle, barely used, they have good heritage (I bought them off Jon Udry a few years back) - I'll probably take them all to Crawley, if anyone wants them I'll do them for offers around £60 the set.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Hahaha, too feckin' many :-

  • 10 Renegade 85s
  • 8 or 9 Beard Street Pros
  • 3 old skool Spotlight European long handled
  • 3 Vipas?
  • 4 Jonglerie Diffusion Stage 80s
  • A couple of dozen Beard Circus
  • 6 Babache Flips, or whatever the soft little kiddie clubs are called
  • 3 (was 4, stupid dog) hand-built cork, wood, and fabric mini clubs
  • Numerous Lidl/Aldi juggling sets each including 3 tolerable clubs
  • Enough parts to make maybe a dozen fire torches
  • Various sets of knives, axes, plungers, rubber chickens, etc.
  • Sundry other odds'n'sods, including a set of <shudder> Spotlight Flares, 3 unidentified one piece clubs haling form the 80s or earlier, and a box of Beard parts from the early 90s</shudder>

Orinoco, is there a secret code for posts in pissing contest mode?

The Void - - Parent

Spotlight Flares... were those the ones that you inserted a big sparkler into a metal cage body? Awesomeness!

Mike Armstrong - - Parent

Weren't the sparkler ones by Henry's?
I really hope he didn't mean Beard Flares, though they did deserve the "<shudder>"

The Void - - Parent

Oh yes, that's them. Cheers.

Little Paul - - Parent

What no beard beach?

DavidCain - - Parent

What are Vipas? I'd love to see pics of the hand-built cork, wood, and fabric mini clubs.
David

Little Paul - - Parent

Vipa was a small juggling manufacturer set up by H (who founded Beard) after he quit/left/was-forced-out-of (delete depending on whose story you believe the most) Beard.

See http://www.juggling.org/bin/news2html/1999/01/21-102448 (and other articles in that thread)

Archive.org doesn't have much of their website, but what it does have says this:


Vipa Launch 3 World Firsts!

At the 12th British Juggling Convention in Durham, Vipa were proud to annouce three world firsts in the Juggling industry.

The first modular club system, which allows the juggler to have exactly the weight and spin they need.

The first variable spin devilstick

The first juggling knife with the weight and spin of a club


I don't know what Mr Lackpot has, but I would imagine it's most likely to be the knives as I don't think anyone actually bought any of the modular clubs.

NB This is a different modular club system to the Passe Passe one (which used threaded bits of camembert to hold the bits together)

Mike Armstrong - - Parent

If my memory of the rumours is correct then Vipa was nominally set up run by Loz (H's son) as there was some kind of clause somewhere preventing H from competing directly with Beard for some time after he left.

Little Paul - - Parent

That sounds very familiar.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

The Vipas were part of a job lot of assorted juggling and other stuff I mistakenly bought off eBay whilst squiffy one night. They are non-modular European-style clubs of rather good construction and still in very good condition. At least I think they are Vipas, I had no idea whatsoever until I showed them to Void who came to that conclusion after a little head scratching.

If I ever find the time I'll dig the Vipas out along with the cork specials and provide David with a much-needed hit of clubpr0n.

The Void - - Parent

Cripes, did I? The only thing I remember about Vipa now is being proudly shown Vipa Golf (Frisbee golf) at Edinburgh EJC, and managing to say "errr, okay, that's... interesting" or similar.

And to be honest, I might be making that up.

Cedric Lackpot -

This one is for Ewan - contains buns.

https://i.imgur.com/We4c1Ze.gifv

I was immediately reminded of Ewan's experiments with trays, cups, and teaspoons ages ago. Stolen from /r/oddlysatisfying

Orinoco -

Details of Michael Pearse's funeral are being shared around Facebook. I'm not sure whether the invitation for after the service extends to everyone because I can imagine the family might be a bit overwhelmed, but I'm sure condolences & donations to Michael's requested charities will be very welcome.

A service to celebrate the life of Michael Pearse (Pearse Halpenny)will take place at the Surrey and Sussex Crematorium on Wednesday 4th May at 2.15 pm. The family welcome everyone to join them after the service for light refreshments at a nearby venue. In lieu of Flowers it is asked a donation is made to either The Royal Marsden Cancer charity or St Christopher’s Hospice. These can be made at the service or via Ebbutt's Funeral Services

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Crap. Long time coming, but crap all the same.

Was it Crawley the first he appeared at? Or possibly the second? Would've been around '95 with Pearse performing yo-yos and cigar boxes IIRC. I think that he and I were also at the street theatre event in Golden Square at about that time.

charlieh -

Is it too early to start talking about Bungay? I've got the croquet to find, plants to pot up for swapping, some EJC holes in the tent floor to repair and some new (to Bungay) props to bring... #BBU2016

The Void - - Parent

14:52 seems like a reasonable time to talk about Bungay. Not too early in the morning.

Bit of a radical departure, but we're having an official Fight Night this year. Wednesday. With a potential extra 12 points, which Ewano has the details on.
I suppose I should fix my kite spar soon, too.

Little Paul - - Parent

It's all set to be the most juggly BBU ever! I'm dead excited :)

charlieh - - Parent

It all reminds me of the year the WJF sent all those flyers and we all did weights and trained our patterns and everything.

Little Paul - - Parent

hahahaha!

I found my copy of that flyer (signed by Jason Garfield!) the other day. It did raise a smile.

Ewano - - Parent

Well it's all official and everything..

While at the BJC Luke agreed to an extra 12 points for the event, but you know how he backtracks later on when he realises he's agreed to something I suggested. Turns out that this extra 12 points would mean he needs to rewrite the Fight Night website - or some such excuse. I'm sure though that he'll be along some time soon to explain how he plans to honour the terms he agreed with us..

On a side note, we should probably have a look at some more of the rules to see how we can subvert his system some more move to a 350/500 tournament in the future..

lukeburrage - - Parent

I just looked at the code and data and stuff and it seems like giving the winner 12 extra points is quite easy. What will take more work is for the tournament to be listed as a "262 level tournament" in other places on the website, either in advance or afterwards. And I'm not going to do that extra work.

I've added a note to the Bungay 2016 page about the extra points and prize on offer: http://fightnightcombat.com/tournament-Bungay-2016.html

(And adding that note didn't work the first time, and I found the error that caused a bug I first noticed months ago but didn't know where it came from, so thanks I guess.)

The Void - - Parent

Cheers Luke.

Monte - - Parent

Fight night? I'm appalled. This goes against the whole love and peace, non-competitive hippy ethos with which BBU was originally conceived.
In other news, Mike and I have plans and materials to make the biggest trebuchet ever seen at a juggling convention. Hopefully this one will be able to completely destroy Ewans tent from my position at the far corner of the buttercup meadow. Hope your ballista plans are well advanced Geordy boy.

Monte - - Parent

Also farmer Paul has been sorting through Sue's extensive book collection and I now have a stack of quiz books as tall as LP.

The Void - - Parent

You running 15-to-1 again, then?

Monte - - Parent

I was thinking of mastermind this year but no reason we can't have a different one each day. Anyone who suggests deal or no deal will quickly become my new trebuchet target though.

Monte - - Parent

We could do "pointless jugglers" that would be pretty inclusive.

Little Paul - - Parent

You mean you've got 3 quiz books?

Richard Loxley - - Parent

How about we make fight night into a banoffee pie fight instead of club juggling? That'd be more in the Bungay spirit :-)

Monte - - Parent

Or sort things out like real men/women over a game of Texas hold 'em.

Ewano - - Parent

New tent this year, you'll have to find me first..

Monte - - Parent

Yeah like you're going to pitch it in a different place.

lukeburrage - - Parent

I will be at Bungay this year! It might have something to do with it taking a week for a new passport application and pickup, and needing somewhere to stay in the UK for a week.

charlieh - - Parent

[makes note to pack enough butter]

Little Paul - - Parent

wrong burrage...

but I'll make a note to pack plenty of gin and a slightly-too-small juggling ring just incase we can "collect the set"

I'm really looking forward to Bungay this year, even though we're having to leave early on the Saturday.

lukeburrage - - Parent

I have no idea what you guys are talking about.

charlieh - - Parent

That's probably best.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Do not search teh Googles newsgroups for 'buttered Burrage'.

Monte - - Parent

The sheep vacated the field two weeks ago and the grass is growing like mad.
The buttercup forecast is very good as we have not had the shortage of rain that we have had in the last few years and the current heatwave could make it a vintage year. Daisies and dandelions are in abundance too.
Morning chorus has been extremely loud and starts around 5am at the moment.
Night time owl noise is high as the Tawny's argue over territory.
Barn owls have been hunting during the day to feed their new offspring. I damn near killed one last week as it flew right in front of me on the road up to the farm. I had to emergency brake and missed it by under a foot (30cm).

The Void - - Parent

What's the poker forecast? (Anyone prodded Hairy lately?)

Monte - - Parent

Poker forecast is very high. Hairy is definitely coming and hasn't played for over a year so is itching for a game. Both Dan the hats are coming too. Not sure what happens when they are both in the same room. Do they cancel each other out? Is it like hatter and anti-hatter?

The Void - - Parent

We had 3 of them at Bristol one year! I think Original has been Dan The Hatless for some years now, so we're probably all safe.

Richard Loxley - - Parent

And is the correct plural "Dan the Hats" or "Dans the Hat"?

Little Paul - - Parent

Interesting... Given that one of them is known for a plural number of hats perhaps we should go with "dans the hats" just to be on the safe side?

charlieh - - Parent

There *is* a proper nomenclature you know. Dan The Original Hat (because he always wore a hat, nothing to do with juggling IIRC). T'other is Dan the Exeter Hat (because that's where he hails from). Any other Dan the Hats will have to wait their turn.

Glad to hear they're both coming, as is Hairy! I watched this rather wonderful video again today and enjoyed it so much I had to spaff it all over Faceberk.

https://youtu.be/UZIbm4stHwc

bad1dobby - - Parent

Terrific vid - I got a great vicarious experience of this fabled gathering.

Love the music choice - it lifts the (already excellent) visuals to a level that's simply majestic. Brian Wilson, continuing to make wonderful music.

lukeburrage - - Parent

I am coming to the UK to get a new passport, but I have a problem. I need a countersigning person who lives in the UK, is in the UK, has a passport, has known me for 2 years, is not related to me and either "work in (or be retired from) a recognised profession" or is "a person of good standing in their community".

But as I've lived in Germany for 10 years, most people I know in the UK are jugglers and other performer types. Turns out "Professional Juggler" isn't on the list of "Accepted occupations for countersignatories": https://www.gov.uk/countersigning-passport-applications/accepted-occupations-for-countersignatories

I'm looking elsewhere, but is anyone going to be at Bungay on the first Monday who could help me out? All you need to do is sign the back of a photo and a form. And you have to know your passport number. Let me know if you can be my standby! Thanks!

barnesy - - Parent

When I registered as an overseas voter, I had to find a witness to sign my form. That person had to be another British citizen, but one who was not resident in the UK. But not someone of particular standing. So you'd have done, but the masses of impressive sounding people who could have done it for me at the Lestival I happened to go to around that time were the useless type of British citizen who actually lived in Britain!

^Tom_ - - Parent

That sounds bizarre. I think I needed my NI number, and they wanted the address at which I was last on the electoral role. I didn't think that I had to do much more than that.

barnesy - - Parent

I think perhaps it's different now. I've managed to find something like the instructions I had at the time on this (clearly not official) page: http://findlaw.co.uk/law/government/constitutional_law/voting_and_elections/8676.html but not from an official source.

lukeburrage - - Parent

I just changed my address and made sure I was registered to vote abroad, and I only needed my NI number. No countersignature needed this time.

Little Paul - - Parent

Looking at that list of occupations, I think there are candidates for:

- accountant (I know fak used to do that sort of thing, but I don't know how qualified she was or needs to be)
- chairman/director of limited company - I think Charlie can tick that box
- director/manager/personnel officer of a VAT-registered company - Charlie can definitely tick that box
- engineer - with professional qualifications - I'd be surprised if we can't scrounge up one of those
- manager/personnel officer of a limited company - Charlie again?
- teacher, lecturer - Will Dee be around on the Monday? Most of the teachers who turn up tend to be second-weekenders so wouldn't be any use to you

Your countersignatory can’t:

- work for HM Passport Office
- be a doctor, unless they state that they know you well (eg good friend) and that they recognise you easily from your photo


The medical professionals who tend to turn up (Dr Alice, Helen S etc) could certainly state they know you well.

Little Paul - - Parent

Mentioning Dee reminded me that I got all confused when I heard her on the "more or less" podcast the other week, as I don't think I've ever heard her full name before.

Looking at the show notes, I think http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/redir/version/2.0/mediaset/audio-nondrm-download/proto/http/vpid/p03rw8l6.mp3
is the episode I spotted her on

Dee - - Parent

I am on the list of approved professions, but can't make Bungay this year; although for the first time in ages it's not because I have student vivas during the middle of it. This time, it's because I'm under a super-tight deadline to get all of the marks back in (I'm module leader for the project, so have to do all the admin) before I fly to the US for a family wedding [flying out during Bungay week].

I enjoyed my trip into BBC Bristol to do the recording - the calculations involved weren't difficult, but asking the right question and inserting the appropriate terms and conditions on the calculations was difficult. One of my aunts didn't recognise my voice [I consider that to be what I'm going to call my "Radio 4" voice, a lot slower than my usual way of speaking]. I was recruited to do that as part of my involvement in the Royal Statistical Society [and you were right with the show - my piece was on the chance of receiving the equivalent of a jury summons in Scotland]

Mike Armstrong - - Parent

I've been meaning to go back and listen to this again as, on first listen, I got the impression that they used your name surprisingly often for a short article.
Maybe it's just because your full name (with the honorific) sounds incongruous to me. Or maybe they're proud of pronouncing it correctly and wanted to make the most of it! If only we knew someone with the skills to develop some kind of index of radio article naming frequency ;o)

david - - Parent

I enjoyed your section and I bookmarked the show. I like numbers and the only thing I know close to this in the US is fivethirtyeight.com I have also bookmarked Significance magazine.

Dee - - Parent

Thanks, in case anyone is interested in what was the "behind the scenes", I've written about it in my blog.

Significance magazine is a good shout for those interested in applications of statistics [for those of you who are maths teachers in the UK or Ireland, you can get a free e-Teacher membership of the Royal Statistical Society, which happens to included free subscription to Significance magazine though an app - this gives more articles than only those that appear on the statslife.org.uk website]

There is currently a series called "ask a statistician" series in Significance, so if anyone has any curious question that may spark something similar to my calculations needed for the question about jury duty. An example of a recent question is here: https://www.statslife.org.uk/social-sciences/2735-ask-a-statistician-population

I'm sure that over the course of Bungay you may be able to come up with some interesting questions!

lukeburrage - - Parent

I went through the same process in 2007 and went to the Bristol convention while waiting the week for my passport to be delivered. Richard Loxley was a director of a limited company at the time and did it for me then. :)

charlieh - - Parent

I'm an engineer as well but never joined the IEEE or anything so don't have 'professional qualifications' whatever that means. Happy to sign Luke!

Mike Armstrong - - Parent

My job is on that list, and I'll be there on the first Monday...

lukeburrage - - Parent

Great! Between you and others on LP's list, I'm sure we can make it work. As long as you have your passport number we can do it all on Monday afternoon/evening.

Ewano - - Parent

The question of course now becomes - "What's it worth to ya?"...

Little Paul - - Parent

Is Mikey willing to take payment in the form of complimentary fight night points?

Mike Armstrong - - Parent

Maybe I'll just take the 12 Bungay-bonus points ;o)

lukeburrage - - Parent

I was going to suggest that if one point = one slice of banoffee pie, that would be way more valuable to most people!

The Void - - Parent

Under a week to go! If there was any doubt before, I think we can definitely start talking about Bungay now.

Um... Still haven"t fixed my kite from 2 years ago. Or was it 3? Will have to dig out my boomerang at least. Reckon I'll bring my clubs this year too.

Little Paul - - Parent

I haven't managed to get around to editing the video I shot last year - how long can I get away with that and still call it a BBU 2015 video?

The Void - - Parent

About 4 days.

Little Paul - - Parent

* moves video files into a folder marked "never gonna happen" *

Mike Armstrong - - Parent

I'm definitely bringing my rola bola.
After a brief play on one at the BJC I was inspired to dig mine out of the loft to take to Appleby on Saturday. And I went from never-tried-the-pipe-parallel-to-the-board to over-a-minute-of-double-rollers in an afternoon. I haven't been this excited about a learning curve for years!
I only fell in an undignified heap once, and I didn't hurt myself too badly :o)

Little Paul - - Parent

Just in case anyone thinks it might be useful, I thought I'd just mention that there's a PDF available of an A3 OS map, roughly centred on Hulver Farm available from here: http://paulseward.com/downloads/BBU_Map.pdf

I made it for planning some new routes for me to run as I find that sort of thing easier to do on paper than I do on a screen, especially given how sketchy some of the online map data is for the area.

This desire for mapping the area was prompted by me mapping the run I've been doing the last couple of years which I thought was "just shy of 10Km" and found it's more like "just shy of 9Km" and needing to find an extra Km of footpaths :)

The Void - - Parent

403 Forbidden.

Little Paul - - Parent

Try now :)

The Void - - Parent

Ah, that one. Yep, works now.

The Void - - Parent

Packed. In no time I'll be nailing carpet, gee, yippee!

Orinoco -

Anyone got a collection of the Fliktriks1 books? Fancy recording a flick through & putting it online? I had a copy of Georgian Shuffle/Eating the Apple but I can't seem to find it any where.


1 Much loved flick books illustrated by Martin Bedford from the early 90s for those that don't know.

Little Paul - - Parent

Fliktricks are on my list of "things I really wish I'd kept, and collected"

So while I can't help, I would be interested in seeing said flick-through

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Last I heard Martin Bedford is still active in graphic design in some way ... but I can't for the life of me remember when I heard that!

I'm pretty sure Richard Gillett will have a full set, or if not could get a set from Martin, and I'd guess Mike Armstrong and Charlie Holland might well have them as well. Plus a few other now-superannuated candidates - for instance Charlie Dancey, Ben Cornish, Tarim, various Oddballs, and so on.

Little Paul - - Parent

I now have vague memories of them being republished a couple of years back

It looks like serious juggling in the states might still have them http://www.seriousjuggling.com/juggling-books.htm

Daniel Simu - - Parent

I had never heard of these, what a fun idea! I was once recorded juggling some oranges for 3 seconds in a flick through book, but I think I threw it away... But to use it to explain tricks... why not recreate some?

It's Him - - Parent

About 4/5 months ago (Random) Mike Wilkinson came to Milton Keynes juggling club with lots and lots of FlikTrik books in really good condition along with lots of copies of The Catch. He gave anyone who wanted them the magazines but kept the FlikTriks and was planning on seeing if he could sell them. He can be contacted via storychairarts(at)gmail(dot)com or via his website randommike.com

Nigel

Topper - - Parent

Jon you should have asked me as I have the full set.

Orinoco - - Parent

Hahahahaha! Now that you mention it I vaguely knew that too!

Can you bring them along on Tuesday? Archie has a decent phone camera, I'm sure we can bully him into doing technical things like pointing it in the right direction & pressing record. The light in the kitchen is a lot better than the hall so we can set up a studio in there. We'll have to have a fat finger comparison to see whose thumbs will obscure the pages the least.

The Void - - Parent

Don't forget to run them forwards and backwards.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Yeow .. and the box upside down?

shawnlives -

Hey everybody. Just posted a video I put together for the Juggling SubReddit Community. Hope you enjoy! https://youtu.be/FzrjVyRzyoM

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

I approve this message!

Nice one shawnlives, thank you for this.

Orinoco - - Parent

I thought the duck was awesome.

shawnlives - - Parent

I thought that was pretty great too! I wondered if anyone would notice.

shawnlives - - Parent

Haha, glad you like it and for your support on the various platforms!

Orinoco -

Thanks to the fantastic Let's Encrypt Project you can now use the Juggling Edge over an encrypted connection. Just change the url from http to https.

#NewFeature

That's going to come in handy...

varkor - - Parent

Any disadvantage to enforcing HTTPS by default?

Orinoco - - Parent

It is obviously slower (albeit infinitesimally so these days).

https pages are not (or at least should not be) cached.

Some proxies/firewalls don't allow https traffic.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Well I never.

I've been running HTTPS Everywhere since BT thought it would be a simply smashing idea to start injecting ads for themselves into their customers' HTTP requests (hint: It wasn't you massive band of cynical cockwombles) and I don't think I've ever noticed another site that reverts to HTTP. I don't require enforced secure connections but it hadn't even really occurred to me there might be places that don't do it.

About bloody time too! <shakes g33k="" fist=""></shakes>

Cedric Lackpot -

Here's a very short teeterboard .gif looping forever.

A crash dive and a double back summersault with 180 deg turn? On a teeterboard?!? Crikey!

https://i.imgur.com/UyQ8SfI.gifv

david - - Parent

Sweet! Isn't a 360 because they wid up facing in the same direction?

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

You're right, it is. Awesome +1.

7b_wizard - - Parent

a - m a - z i n g ! .. soo high! .. don't give her a trampoline - she'd leave gravity and not come back down.

david - - Parent

wid = end

ejwysz - - Parent

Holy shit.

Little Paul -

A big welcome to new user "Jedi Juggler" - you are our first user with a 4 digit userid!

*lets off fireworks*

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

The 65,536th subscriber? K3wl!! Or merely the mundane 1,000th?

Either way, go Jedi! But your crazy-ass imaginary religion still sucks, sorry about that. Pastafarianism ftw.

In other news, have this idiotic historical local news piece about unfunny British clowns vs. side-splitting Yank clowns, all courtesy of that inveterate and skilful rabble-rouser and self-publicist Gerry Cottle :-

https://youtu.be/DAuyAqNZzdI

Gerry is so ​good at plucking controversy out of nothing that it's untrue. A proper showman's heart beats within him. Really nice to see Dingle Fingle and Clown Jam in there as well, that's a tiny slice of British clowning from roughly a quarter of a century ago.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Bonus: I didn't know that Gerry was on Desert Island Discs​ back in 1984. Here's the reconstructed podcast.

Little Paul -

I've just read David Cains most recent article http://ezine.juggle.org/2016/01/14/cups-and-spoons/

It reminded me that I once described this trick to Ewano (at the Liverpool convention in 2004) using the illustrations in "manipulative miscellanea" (by Reg Bacon), he misunderstood my description and went off and learnt what he thought I had described.

The result was an ungimicked version of the trick which I don't think I've ever seen anyone else do.

I think the only video of him doing it is at about 21 minutes in to this video, shot at that same convention.

http://juggling.tv/4704

Just thought I'd mention it - does anyone else do it without gluing the cup(s) to the board?

Oh, and while on the subject of the ezine - it's nice to see that Steve Rawlings got interviewed for the podcast.

Little Paul - - Parent

by 21 minutes, I appear to mean 23 mins 25 seconds.

I think I was looking at the time on my phone, not the how far through the video I'd paused it.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Somewhere in the deep and dark recesses of my mind I seem to remember dear old Ewano turning up somewhere or other - Liverpool con perhaps? - with a tray, four cups, and four spoons. I tried it; I failed; I gave up.

I'm looking forward to the next Broxford, in the hope that Ewan and Beccy will stop by again.

Ewano - - Parent

Evening Paul,

I've been meaning to get in touch, and in fact have tried calling you a few times - but the lines in Bristol all seem to be busy. I remember spending a fair amount of time on that trick, to the point my back became painful..

I also worked on a further variant with tray, cup, spoon and dice (sugar in your tea sir?) - which I managed to get once in all my time practising it. I also tried a few times with a teabag, but the difference in mass to drag ratio was so large that in order to get enough height in on the teabag, the spoon was launched about 5 feet in the air.

While helping Mikey with his timing for the hat routine he performed at that convention, I noticed the similarities between some hat and tray manipulation moves I was also playing with at the time. I think the attempt to run through Mikeys hat routine with my tray was probably the result of a drunken conversation with him at the Everyman..

I remember running a workshop at a BJC (Brighton maybe) on tray spinning and manipulation, where I demoed a a lot of similarities between tray and hat manipulations. I finished it with an attempt at the tray, cup and spoon trick - having lowered everyone’s expectations - and got it first time. I quickly put everything away and acted like it was as I'd planned. Perhaps this is the workshop Jay remembers?

I also remember going to maybe a Birmingham convention and there was a guy who could do the trick there. I suspect it was after the BJC I'd run the workshop at. There was also a guy with a standard 5 attached cups tray there and we set about trying to line the spoons up in a 90 degree orientation lengthways down the tray so that each spoon had to do an extra half turn before it landed in it's designated cup. I think I managed to get three out of the five to land by the end of the day.

Apparently tonight - the number I've dialled has not been recognised. Exchange out of action?

Little Paul - - Parent

I've been meaning to get in touch with you too, but I tend to remember to try and phone you at thoroughly unsociable hours of the day!

All lines to Bristol are engaged because I had to move my phone exchange out of the lounge to redecorate. I checked it this morning and it seems to have developed a fault in the process which I didn't spot (because it's now in a room I don't go in all that often, so I didn't see the alarm lamp) and has now managed to run its batteries into the floor.

In addition to that fault, sipgate decided to stop talking to me some time over the weekend - which is why you got the number not recognised message. It also means that the siteswaphone is offline!

So that sounds like my evening taken care of tonight then.

There is a 90% chance I'll be at chocfest on Saturday[1], if you're around then I'll see you there - if not I'll try and call you from a filthy modern phone.

I want to talk to you about lighting wood burners upside down...

[1] which reminds me, what do people do about accommodation these days? It's been so long since I've been to a CF that I'm not sure if people aim for crash space or have grown up and now get hotel rooms ;)

Chris - - Parent

"I want to talk to you about lighting wood burners upside down..."

I'm intrigued as to what part you intend to be upside down.

Little Paul - - Parent

The fire.

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