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Little Paul -

My last EJC was in 2001, but I've got clear memories of a chap who turned up there and the previous year (and possibly to a few dutch fests as well) who had a lazy-susan turntable thing that he would stand on.

It was mounted on a slight angle, and by shifting his weight he could cause it to rotate slowly.

The reason I mention it is that after almost 15 years of not-quite-getting-round-to-it I built one a week or two ago. I learnt a load of lessons building it (and trying to use it) and I've just taken delivery of the parts required to build the second version.

This time round I'd like to take some photos and write it up - and I sort of feel I should give credit where credit is due. So does anyone know who I'm thinking of? Or even better have some videos/photos of the chap? Or perhaps a historical act who included the same device?

The Void - - Parent

I remember him too. Must have been Karlsruhe 2000 that I saw him at, as I wasn't at EJC 2001. I only remember him out in the open, just playing, rather than performing an act though. Sorry, no better info, apart from confirming your memory.

Little Paul - - Parent

Yeah, I don't remember him doing an act, only playing with it in the gym.

Orinoco - - Parent

I remember a guy standing on a turntable out in the sunshine wearing a bandana. He was spinning for a very long time without spotting. I was with Mr K. at the time so it would have been either Bremen in 2002 or Carvin 2004. He didn't do anything other than spin round but it was strangely hypnotic.

Mïark - - Parent

It is a French guy whose name I don't remember, I first saw him with it at a convention in '95 or '97. He is also the first person I met who had (what I now know is called) a Salerno Ring which I think he could do while on the turntable, he also had a Kangorou unicycle with 12" cranks.
I did chat with him again at EJC in Bruneck, but just can't recall his name, maybe Matt can remember.

Mïark - - Parent

I also made one of these self propelling turntable with adjustable tilt to try and work out the optimum tiltage, but the bearings I used weren't very good - it might be in the shed still.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

The French guy with the Kangaroo unicycle is still regularily attending (French) festivals. I have seen him at least 5 times or so
Many of those times I tried the platform, it is fun and not so hard!

No clue what his name is though, but I am sure if you ask any French festival regular they would know who you are talking about!

peterbone - - Parent

I've seen that spinning equipment in outdoor play areas. Sometimes in the form of a platform to stand on, as you described, and sometimes in the form of a seat.

Scott Seltzer - - Parent

I saw someone with something like that at EJC this year. All I can tell you is that he was probably in his 60s and thin and he arrived at EJC a bit after I did (he may have been about 30 people behind me in line at registration at around 12:45 on the first day).

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Inclined one-person roundabouts are now commonplace at your local neighbourhood play parks. They look like a stainless steel funnel, mounted on a short pole and canted over by a few degrees, you sit inside and surprisingly subtle shifts of weight will get you moving rather easily.

Here's a terrible photo of what I'm thinking about :-

And there are also these mad dangerous buggers :-

Stephen Meschke - - Parent

I am considering building one myself. My plan is to construct a plywood box with a slightly tilted top that has three roller blade wheels in it (in the same orientation as a bicycle wheel). A 1.5 inch plywood disc will rotate on top. Two additional wheels (rotating horizontally like a top) will keep the disc from slipping off of the three vertical wheels.

Orinoco -

Spotted this muggle's take on combat on Facebook. I do enjoy reading stuff from people who use 'juggle' as a noun.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Haha, fun!

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

I've been approving every post and comment of his on /r/juggling 'cos he appears to have got shadowbanned double quick. Which is a shame because he may be naïve but he's hardly trolling, in fact he's making an effort to edumercate himself about 'juggling martial arts'.

As I may have said in another place, even philistines are people.

lukeburrage - - Parent

All really great. Not sure if real. Poe's Law. Etc.

I liked:

"USA vs. Europe – I’m not exactly sure how this would work. Presumably, you would find a combat juggling competition that involves people of both USA and Europe. I am not sure if such a competition exists. But, I do know, from this clip of four presumably American combat jugglers on the Steve Harvey show, that Americans are not good at combat juggling. This is ridiculous. The idea that those two Europeans in front of what appears to be the Dutch equivalent of a hipster convention are better than the entirety of these United States at a sport none of us even knew about is absurd."

Absurd but kinda true. Except the Dutch bit.

Ewano - - Parent

You're mentioned in the comments:

"Luke Burrage, the father of Combat Juggling in Europe"

Feeling like an old man yet?

mrawa - - Parent

I'm just curious as to why he was talking about it in terms of gambling... you can bet any any scenario happening, simple as that (assuming a bookmaker has offers it)! It's a shame he didn't suggest a parallel with horse racing trifectas.

Mike Moore - - Parent

Fun read, and looks like his site is generally a good addition to the internet. I didn't know how much I wanted a site like this until now.

bad1dobby -

Fred Astaire with hat, umbrella & coat [video]

From the movie Funny Face (1957):
Fred Astaire was a fine manipulator - he uses a large variety of objects in his many films. This is one of my favourites simply because it's jam-packed with manipulation.

Mr Astaire was 57 when this was filmed !

(Mr Lackpot - you posted a video here of a "super dance routine with canes". Unfortunately the link no longer works. I'd be interested to see it if you can remember what it was?)

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Fred Astaire can do one. That's not an insult, he just seemed to be able to turn his hand to anything. I think sometimes people see Astaire as merely a great hoofer, but as far as I can tell he was a truly talented polymath of the performing arts. What a shame his swansong was Towering Sodding Inferno.

With respect to Astaire's age, let us not forget that Johnny Hutch was 64 when he won an acrobatic competition. Age may be a formidable sheet anchor in competitive athletics; but not so much when performing on stage.

I made a copy of that hatstand for my mate Dodger years ago (the one who compèred the last Lestival!) but I don't know whether he ever polished the routine well enough to use it.

Unfortunately I have no memory whatsoever of the "Super Dance Routine With Canes" :( Perhaps Luke Burrage may be able to offer a clue?

lukeburrage - - Parent

No idea. Whenever I think of Astaire and canes I think of this:

Cedric Lackpot -

Street performer swallows a sword, and then performs three backflips!

Apologies for shitty gif.

Here's the reddit thread where I found it. His name is Aerial Manx and his wife chips into the thread. Here's his website and here's a medical x-ray of his innards :-

Mike Moore - - Parent

That x-ray did a much better job of explaining how he did it than I thought it would, considering I know very little about interpreting x-rays.

mrawa - - Parent

"To enjoy this site you'll need to update your Flash Player. It's easy, painless and will take
just a moment..."

... Updating Flash on linux is never easy. I'll have to wait until I'm home!

Little Paul -

Ra-Ra Zoo - documentary/promo thing I found on an old VHS Void lent me.

I'm struggling to date it. I think it's pre-1992 as it appears to feature Sean Gandini (There can't have been that many numbers jugglers with big hair around at the time, so I'm pretty sure it's Sean), and he left in '92 to form the Gandini Juggling Project with Kati Ylä-Hokkala

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Some old faces there.

I actually didn't know Sean Gandini was in Ra Ra Zoo but it sure looks like him.

Sue Broadway always seemed to be the creative engine. AFAIK she was still an important figure in UK new circus quite recently, and probably still is.

Dave Spathaky was the one-time plate spinning numbers world-record holder but bust his ankle falling off a step-ladder in about '90, which put all kinds of kibosh on his performing career. He may have appeared briefly on stage in the EJC '88 public show, or another show of that vintage.

The muscular and gurning acrobatic lunatic is Mark Digby, he was a tutor of mine at Fool Time in '91 and I'm pretty sure he'd left Ra Ra Zoo by then and formed Le La Les sometime thereafter. And by lunatic, I mean lunatic - he had a pretty severe couple of years in the late 90s when he pretty much lost the plot, and then I met him unexpectedly when he turned up at Bristol Convention in around 2000.

Fucksocks, when did my youth become so distant?

bad1dobby - - Parent

Yes, it's Sean Gandini. He's in the credits, and I recognize him from an instructional video that Max Oddball released in the 1980s called The Ultimate Ball Video. There's a short interview with Sean on it, which I've uploaded to JTV in case anyone needs a fix from the past... (Mr Lackpot?)

bad1dobby - - Parent

Awesome. I googled "Ultimate Ball Video" without any luck - well, actually I got lots of results for what seems to be a cage-fighting game, but that wasn't really what I was looking for. Didn't think to google "Ultimate Ball DVD" d'oh!

Should I pull the clip, do you think?

The Void - - Parent

I have Oddball connections. I don't think they'll mind too much. Leave it for now, and JTV can take it down if they do.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Thanks dobby. I see your youthful Sean and raise you my youthful Sean :-

And yes, I still have the item gathering dust in the office, complete with four - four! Read it and weep, suckers! - juggling balls and IIRC a minuscule pamphlet detailing the necessary steps to take to achieve international juggling stardom.

Orinoco - - Parent

That's fantastic! When was that being sold?

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Splendid innit? :D

Without going to dig the bloody thing out I'm not sure, but I'd guess late 90s/early 00s. I found my copy in a charidee shop for a couple of quid I think. Thrift shop gold!

The Void - - Parent

Late 80s/early 90s.

Orinoco -

I've previously raved about [Raw Art]. It now looks like the next wave of performers are coming through:

My favourite is Olena Biambasuren & Svetlana Kolodiy.

I recall searching Youtube for the names of performers I found on the Raw Art Facebook page a couple of years ago. I found a video of two very young teenage girls doing an early version of this act, but unfortunately I can't find it now.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

When I first glanced at the YouTube title I thought it said "Juggling on motorcycles", and now I wish we still had Archaos :(

bad1dobby - - Parent

Doesn't Laci Endresz juggle on a motorcycle now? Actually I think it's a motor-trike - basically a juggling-on-horseback act but on a platform on the back of the trike.

But no argument from me re Archaos. BTW there are a couple of 'full shows' of Archaos on Youtube, for those who need a memory-fix.

Mike Moore - - Parent

Pah, once you've seen Michael Davis juggle on a motorcycle, why keep looking?

bad1dobby - - Parent

Love the pattern at 2:45 - looks like a waterfall or something similar (too poetic?)

Brook Roberts - - Parent

That was awesome.
The next video I started watching was awesome (and had a long run of chopabout!).
I have some watching to do clearly - the raw art acts are fantastic.

jamesfrancis - - Parent

This was finale act at the EJC gala this year.

Great live, but shame I watched the entire act only 10 days before :(

Thanks for posting anyway. I love these video's

lukeburrage - - Parent

Yeah, the same for me. There's no way to know that you'll see an act live just a few days after watching the video. The good thing is that it was better live than in this video. They dropped less, or at least they dropped in less disruptive places. In a few years time, once they get it more solid, gain more confidence, and try to work out what to do with their faces, it'll be a killer number.

The EJC gala also featured the cyr wheel act posted here a month or so ago, the one I only watched the first 90 seconds of and then stopped because I disliked the mental-illness-like character choice. That part wasn't any better live, I don't think. The skills presented later in the act were very good, but didn't do or add enough to get me past my initial reservations.

Overall the EJC gala was one of the strongest convention shows I've seen in years.

jamesfrancis - - Parent

Agreed on the gala show being top notch.

I remember people talking about the Cyr wheel act here, but never got round to watching it. I didn't really think it was mental-illness themed, just a funny in-human like character creation. I thought it was a really good act.

^Tom_ - - Parent

I'm now feeling a little bit smug for not having got around to watching this video. The trapeze act and the cyr wheel act were the only 2 I'd watched in full before - and at least on TV rather than just online.

GumybolzZ -

why u gotta be dat way orin 3:

GumybolzZ - - Parent

wups, i thought my post was deleted. Why cant i delete posts? oh well.

peterbone - - Parent

This is not a typical forum. There's no way to edit or delete posts. It forces you to think carefully before posting. Perhaps Orinoco can delete posts if you ask nicely.

Orinoco - - Parent

Because mistakes are good, they show people who we are.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Except when they get edited anyway - during/dying.

It's a perfectly reasonable decision of course, in a most sensitive situation, but let's not pretend that the past is always preserved like flies in amber for all to see.

Orinoco - - Parent

Not sure what you are alluding to here. I've certainly not edited anything posted by our deceased friends.

The extent of altering posts on the Edge that I've done:

Correcting copious amounts of broken links & html, mostly in the early days of the Edge. Very little of that nowadays.

Deleting of duplicate posts.

Removal of a quote attributed to someone using their professional title that that person claimed they didn't say & didn't want to be associated with.

Correction of some names, facts etc. in two of my festival reviews.

Changing the attribution of some posts to Anonymous (a compromise as the user wanted them deleted but I don't think it is fair to break threads that others have participated in).

The only other person who can do anything on Small talk is Mïark who only deletes duplicate posts.

Little Paul - - Parent

I believe he's referring to the one word change made to - correcting what mini typed to what he clearly meant to type.

Mïark - - Parent

Mïark might have corrected a typo by Mini to avoid any ambiguity in a sensitive thread and a wrong postcode by Monte to avoid people going to the wrong place, but other than that I don't think he has edited anything else in the past few months.

peterbone - - Parent

Well done. I think that the amount of editing of posts is at just the right level.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Yep, this.

To be clear, I don't have a problem with editing, I think it should be available to all, and I'm also content with the running of The Edge, with the exception that I find "Because mistakes are good, they show people who we are" mildly disingenuous unless you append "except when they don't".

There is occasional discontinuity between the aspiration and the actuality that I feel should be acknowledged. A practical method of post hoc revision would be preferable.

Orinoco - - Parent

My mistakes are still clearly visible here, here & here (turns out it was 3 reviews not 2). Plus I've also deleted some broken internal links in 4 different threads by marking them as deleted in a similar way.

I have broken my rule once & Void has kindly made it clear that I have done so.

Mïark, totally & completely happy with the changes you've made, I'm sure I probably would have done the same had I got there first. In future though could you please use the <del> tag to mark whatever bit of text you may be changing as deleted. I just think it is more transparent that way. Ta!

Mïark - - Parent


Hairy -

Beloved Ben Beever

It is with immense sadness and shock that i learned yesterday of the tragic death of Ben Beever.
If you are anything like me, your first reaction will be of total disbelief.

He fell from his balcony at home in chorlton in the early hours of saturday morning.
Emergency services were unable to save him and he died without regaining consciousness.
He had spent the evening with his flatmates.

I last saw Ben the night before for a hugely enjoyable game of bridge.

A huge number of you will have been profoundly touched by Ben throughout the years we have known him.
His influence has been immeasurable in the juggling and bridge worlds as well as his many many other activities.

I shall miss him so much. In bridge at least, he was my North, my South, my East and West.

After talking with his mum,Pru,today, i have learned that the funeral will take place in Chorlton, Manchester.
The date and time are not yet known but everybody is welcome to attend and i will post details as soon as available.
Nigel Schaay can be contacted at nigel [@] for any co-ordination efforts of people wanting to attend.

The Void - - Parent

Oh crap.
Ben, you were nuts in several ways, but great fun to know, a juggling innovator and inspiration to so many. Goodbye.

Little Paul - - Parent

Holy crap!

It's going to take a while for that one to sink in. I'm stunned.

charlieh - - Parent

Alex and I spent time with him in the sauna this year at Bungay, we had a lovely chat. I didn't know him well but he was a constant and cheery feature at so many conventions I've been to, and a damn fine juggler as well. We'll miss him.

It's Him - - Parent

This is ghastly news. I got to know Ben pretty well over the last few Bristol/Broxford conventions and am greatly saddened to read this. I will miss him as I'm sure will many others. His great good humour and friendliness made him more than just an outstanding juggler.


Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Oh for fucks sakes, if my juggler mates have to keep doing this, could it at least be the old ones? This is all kinds of tragic. Hairy, I have absolutely no idea what sort of shape your head must be in right now but just call me if you need a chunter any time.

I'm shaking. Vale Ben.

JonPeat - - Parent

Utter disbelief...
My deep sympathy to Bens family and close friends.

I knew Ben to speak to at conventions and always enjoyed his company, but I wouldn't say we were close.

I will miss him.

peterbone - - Parent

In shock. Ben was basically my juggling hero, obviously a great inspiration to me and a friend. I would often get mistaken for him at conventions. I'll miss him a lot.

lukeburrage - - Parent


Not much to add right now. Maybe later.

Ewano - - Parent

I'm sitting here with tears streaming down my face. I have no words.

Mini - - Parent

Can people please stop fucking dying

Greg Phillips - - Parent

Wow. Just...

Ben and I corresponded many times, about his siteswap book and other related juggling geekery. I only met him the once but he left a deep impression. Feeling for his family and close friends. He will truly be missed.

Orinoco - - Parent

I don't want to believe it.

I only knew Ben from brief chats at a handful of conventions. Such a diversely talented man, I don't think we ever once talked about juggling. He was always lots of fun & charmingly humble.

Thanks for letting us know Hairy. Hope you are ok.

Mini - - Parent

Over the past 2 years i have known

2 Cancer victims
1 Brain tumor
1 Liver failure
1 Heart attack
1 Suicide
and now one accidental death.

These are people who where friends, associates, or in the peripheral of my vision, but every one of them in some way touched me, some even helped shape me.

I am bored of death now. selfish as that sounds. Grieving is tiring


can everyone please, please restrict their deaths to taking place by natural causes due to being really really old.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Oh no! This is sad news :(.

I have met Ben only once, but had great fun jumping trampoline together (of all things....)

Monte - - Parent

Oh shit. I got to know Ben first through poker and later through playing table tennis. In all the time I've known him I never once saw any sign of malice. Such a sweet guy and a real free spirit.
Hairy I can't imagine how you must be feeling, ring me if you need to talk.
I had 5 games of table tennis (Ben 5 Monte 0) and a couple of cups of tea at this years Bungay. I wish now I had spent more time with him.
Ben Beever I loved you and will miss you dearly.

Cedric Lackpot -

Backyard Russian swing, for shits, giggles, and early-onset arthritis.

Rather splendid bit of DIY circus kit which enables someone to jump over a house.

Full making of video here.

Nicked from this reddit thread -

RegularJugular - - Parent

I tried parkour in my dreams once and smashed both my kneecaps.

I tried parkour in real life once, I tried to run over some bollards, I slipped on the third one and hit the back of my head on the second one.

A co-worker of mine recently broke his foot trying a front flip. I still want to learn how to do backflips.

Marvin -

The Green Eggs Report for June 2015 is now available. Last month 69 people made 758 posts containing 114 links. See past reports.

5 events have new trivia: BBU16, 5th European Juggling Convention, 4th European Juggling Convention, 11th European Juggling Convention, 6th European Juggling Convention.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

I just noticed, the green eggs report doesn't show the amount of new topics created in the month. Might be an interesting number to hold next to the amount of posts!

Marvin - - Parent


No wonder everyone else is so cheerful all the time.

^Tom_ - - Parent

Would you be happier if the number were 1729, Marvin?

Pedant - - Parent

if the number was 1729

The Void - - Parent

If the number was 1729.
Backatcha, baby.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Except that this is not a sentence... Right? (non-native here)

Mike Moore - - Parent

For conditional statements, shouldn't "were" be used, even in the singular case?

(Either that or I'm missing a reference to something)

Mïark - - Parent

I am missing the reference too, 1729 is an interesting number according to Srinivasa Ramanujan [1] but I am not sure why this is relevant to Marvin (but then I have not read the Marvin's adventure books or seen the films - just heard part of the radio series).

I think you are right about the were in the conditional case — unless there is a special Marvin exception.

^Tom_ - - Parent

The reasons are not specific to Marvin, but rather to the view of interesting or uninteresting numbers, which my view of Marvin says he might care about.

^Tom_ - - Parent

Yes. I have it on unknown authority that were is here one of the few (only?) cases of the subjunctive in English. I don't know if that's true.

As far as I'm away, "If it was," would be wrong here, and I must say that I had expected most pedants to agree.

^Tom_ - - Parent


Pedant - - Parent

I offer a full and unashamed apology to ^Tom_ for mistakenly thinking there was a fault in his post and thank Mike for helping bringing this to light.

^Tom_ - - Parent

No problem. Its nice to clear the matter up.


Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Oi! Pedant! If you were found out then you should apologise to the nice gentleman right now!

A pedant losing a nitpick is every bit as delicious as cat surrendering its dignity. Good work Mike.

Marvin - - Parent


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