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shawnlives -

Hey everybody. Just posted a video I put together for the Juggling SubReddit Community. Hope you enjoy! https://youtu.be/FzrjVyRzyoM

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

I approve this message!

Nice one shawnlives, thank you for this.

Orinoco - - Parent

I thought the duck was awesome.

shawnlives - - Parent

I thought that was pretty great too! I wondered if anyone would notice.

shawnlives - - Parent

Haha, glad you like it and for your support on the various platforms!

Orinoco -

Thanks to the fantastic Let's Encrypt Project you can now use the Juggling Edge over an encrypted connection. Just change the url from http to https.

#NewFeature

That's going to come in handy...

varkor - - Parent

Any disadvantage to enforcing HTTPS by default?

Orinoco - - Parent

It is obviously slower (albeit infinitesimally so these days).

https pages are not (or at least should not be) cached.

Some proxies/firewalls don't allow https traffic.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Well I never.

I've been running HTTPS Everywhere since BT thought it would be a simply smashing idea to start injecting ads for themselves into their customers' HTTP requests (hint: It wasn't you massive band of cynical cockwombles) and I don't think I've ever noticed another site that reverts to HTTP. I don't require enforced secure connections but it hadn't even really occurred to me there might be places that don't do it.

About bloody time too! <shakes g33k="" fist=""></shakes>

Cedric Lackpot -

Here's a very short teeterboard .gif looping forever.

A crash dive and a double back summersault with 180 deg turn? On a teeterboard?!? Crikey!

https://i.imgur.com/UyQ8SfI.gifv

david - - Parent

Sweet! Isn't a 360 because they wid up facing in the same direction?

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

You're right, it is. Awesome +1.

7b_wizard - - Parent

a - m a - z i n g ! .. soo high! .. don't give her a trampoline - she'd leave gravity and not come back down.

david - - Parent

wid = end

ejwysz - - Parent

Holy shit.

Little Paul -

A big welcome to new user "Jedi Juggler" - you are our first user with a 4 digit userid!

*lets off fireworks*

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

The 65,536th subscriber? K3wl!! Or merely the mundane 1,000th?

Either way, go Jedi! But your crazy-ass imaginary religion still sucks, sorry about that. Pastafarianism ftw.

In other news, have this idiotic historical local news piece about unfunny British clowns vs. side-splitting Yank clowns, all courtesy of that inveterate and skilful rabble-rouser and self-publicist Gerry Cottle :-

https://youtu.be/DAuyAqNZzdI

Gerry is so ​good at plucking controversy out of nothing that it's untrue. A proper showman's heart beats within him. Really nice to see Dingle Fingle and Clown Jam in there as well, that's a tiny slice of British clowning from roughly a quarter of a century ago.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Bonus: I didn't know that Gerry was on Desert Island Discs​ back in 1984. Here's the reconstructed podcast.

Little Paul -

I've just read David Cains most recent article http://ezine.juggle.org/2016/01/14/cups-and-spoons/

It reminded me that I once described this trick to Ewano (at the Liverpool convention in 2004) using the illustrations in "manipulative miscellanea" (by Reg Bacon), he misunderstood my description and went off and learnt what he thought I had described.

The result was an ungimicked version of the trick which I don't think I've ever seen anyone else do.

I think the only video of him doing it is at about 21 minutes in to this video, shot at that same convention.

http://juggling.tv/4704

Just thought I'd mention it - does anyone else do it without gluing the cup(s) to the board?

Oh, and while on the subject of the ezine - it's nice to see that Steve Rawlings got interviewed for the podcast.

Little Paul - - Parent

by 21 minutes, I appear to mean 23 mins 25 seconds.

I think I was looking at the time on my phone, not the how far through the video I'd paused it.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Somewhere in the deep and dark recesses of my mind I seem to remember dear old Ewano turning up somewhere or other - Liverpool con perhaps? - with a tray, four cups, and four spoons. I tried it; I failed; I gave up.

I'm looking forward to the next Broxford, in the hope that Ewan and Beccy will stop by again.

Ewano - - Parent

Evening Paul,

I've been meaning to get in touch, and in fact have tried calling you a few times - but the lines in Bristol all seem to be busy. I remember spending a fair amount of time on that trick, to the point my back became painful..

I also worked on a further variant with tray, cup, spoon and dice (sugar in your tea sir?) - which I managed to get once in all my time practising it. I also tried a few times with a teabag, but the difference in mass to drag ratio was so large that in order to get enough height in on the teabag, the spoon was launched about 5 feet in the air.

While helping Mikey with his timing for the hat routine he performed at that convention, I noticed the similarities between some hat and tray manipulation moves I was also playing with at the time. I think the attempt to run through Mikeys hat routine with my tray was probably the result of a drunken conversation with him at the Everyman..

I remember running a workshop at a BJC (Brighton maybe) on tray spinning and manipulation, where I demoed a a lot of similarities between tray and hat manipulations. I finished it with an attempt at the tray, cup and spoon trick - having lowered everyone’s expectations - and got it first time. I quickly put everything away and acted like it was as I'd planned. Perhaps this is the workshop Jay remembers?

I also remember going to maybe a Birmingham convention and there was a guy who could do the trick there. I suspect it was after the BJC I'd run the workshop at. There was also a guy with a standard 5 attached cups tray there and we set about trying to line the spoons up in a 90 degree orientation lengthways down the tray so that each spoon had to do an extra half turn before it landed in it's designated cup. I think I managed to get three out of the five to land by the end of the day.

Apparently tonight - the number I've dialled has not been recognised. Exchange out of action?

Little Paul - - Parent

I've been meaning to get in touch with you too, but I tend to remember to try and phone you at thoroughly unsociable hours of the day!

All lines to Bristol are engaged because I had to move my phone exchange out of the lounge to redecorate. I checked it this morning and it seems to have developed a fault in the process which I didn't spot (because it's now in a room I don't go in all that often, so I didn't see the alarm lamp) and has now managed to run its batteries into the floor.

In addition to that fault, sipgate decided to stop talking to me some time over the weekend - which is why you got the number not recognised message. It also means that the siteswaphone is offline!

So that sounds like my evening taken care of tonight then.

There is a 90% chance I'll be at chocfest on Saturday[1], if you're around then I'll see you there - if not I'll try and call you from a filthy modern phone.

I want to talk to you about lighting wood burners upside down...

[1] which reminds me, what do people do about accommodation these days? It's been so long since I've been to a CF that I'm not sure if people aim for crash space or have grown up and now get hotel rooms ;)

Chris - - Parent

"I want to talk to you about lighting wood burners upside down..."

I'm intrigued as to what part you intend to be upside down.

Little Paul - - Parent

The fire.

Little Paul -

https://youtu.be/w9iWrgFeIxU

Contact juggling pioneer David Bowie has died...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-35278872

Daniel Simu - - Parent

So much dedication for an actor to invent a whole new genre of object manipulation, just for a movie clip!

Little Paul - - Parent

That's Bowie for you

7b_wizard - - Parent

Ouch!

So let's dance for the man who fell to earth?

7b_wizard - - Parent

:,-|

7b_wizard - - Parent

It's not his hand doing the contact btw, but some juggler's, i saw in a documentary .. but that's not important.

bad1dobby - - Parent

Yeah, 'some juggler'. He'll probably never make a name for himself...

https://youtu.be/3U8fTAHxjdo

Stephen Meschke - - Parent

How much screen time did contact juggling get?

Featuring a skill in a popular movie can increase general interest. Interest in naval aviation increased after the movie Top Gun was released. Archery is more popular because Katniss Everdeen shoots arrows in the book/movie series The Hunger Games.

How was contact juggling affected by the release of Labyrinth?

Little Paul - - Parent

CJ featured prominently in several scenes, and was noteworthy enough that information about it was featured in pretty much every behind-the-scenes promo segment.

I remember "how did Bowie do all that stuff on labyrinth" was a common enough question on rec.juggling that it became a standing joke (tendrils... Obviously)

I think it gave the skill enough public exposure that a generation of CJers of a certain age would probably quote it as their inspiration.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Also, superstar Old Skool panellist Toby Phipott was one of the lead puppeteers on Labyrinth ... besides being Jabba The Hutt in Star Wars.

DawnDreams - - Parent

true story.

bad1dobby - - Parent

That's all of it in LP's link - around 30 secs.

Hard to know how much effect it had. Moschen developed his act in the 1980s. He had already performed it on TV (Paul Daniels' Show) in 1983, 3 years before the movie came out.
James Ernest released his book in 1990, so there must have been a fair amount of interest by then. No doubt some of it came from the movie.

bad1dobby - - Parent

Sorry, my mistake. There's one other (very brief) scene, the roll down the arm to the hand that you see Moschen struggling with in the "making of" clip. The crystal is thrown to Huggle and turns into an orange. It's probably 5 seconds worth.

Little Paul - - Parent

There's another scene where he's palmrolling 4 balls

Little Paul - - Parent

I think. I can't actually check at the moment...

Perhaps I'll watch it tonight.

bad1dobby - - Parent

Oops, forgot that one too.

Stephen Meschke -

Thumbnails and Clubs.

Learning 4 clubs really tore my thumbnails up. Things have gotten better, but nail strikes remain a persistent problem, especially with triple spin throws.

I have tried band aids, which are frustrating. I am supplementing my diet with vitamin D in the winter for stronger nails. Today I spilled Super Glue (Cyanoacrylate) on my thumbnail, and found that it forms a hard shell around the nail. Could a fake nail provide more protection? Does anyone have experience juggling with fake nails on, does it help? Gloves are another option.

What can I do to avoid the problem? It seems I never have nail strikes when juggling patterns at which I am very proficient. It's possible I am making technique errors that cause nail strikes. Has anyone improved technique to avoid nail strikes?

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Change your technique to stop putting your fingernails in harm's way. Seriously. It can be done, not perfectly I admit, but you can make a lot of difference.

I'm a bad juggler and a bad guitarist, but at least I combine the two whilst mostly maintaining a full set of nails on my dominant plucking hand, including a fairly substantial thumbnail. I take a lot of hits on the soft parts of the palm side of my hands, perhaps because I open my catching hands much more than I used to, but nail strikes are very infrequent.

With regard to cyanoacrylates, I've never tried it myself but their use amongst guitarists for on-the-fly nail repair is common and I understand it's about the most effective quick fix there is, so it seems reasonable to assume it might be helpful for jugglers as well, both for repair and as a protective nail strengthener.

Orinoco - - Parent

Are you regularly trimming your nails before each practice session? Keep your nails as short as possible at all times & keep some nail scissors/clippers/nail file in your kit bag.

Place your hands palm down on a table & position your head over your wrists. If you can't see the skin of your fingertips beyond your nails then they are too long!

Stephen Meschke - - Parent

I'll add nail clippers and a nail file to my kit. Thank you.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Don't have the problem .. Am not sure, I even understand how a spinning club can inflict on a too long nail (maybe unless doing rev spins).

I juggle massive wooden clubs and the knob hitting my thumbknuckle (or nail) is simply not allowed. So I hold my hands exaggeratedly open (a bit like small childs when catching) always with the thumbs back facing downward ground - any part of even a failed clubthrow can only land hitting my hand's (and thumb's) inside.

So maybe just to have it done once, you could juggle with something hard (one-two-three sticks, tools, hammers, whatevers) to once and for all internalize red alert for nails and knuckles on clubs landing.

7b_wizard - - Parent

thumbs back = thumb's back °

Little Paul - - Parent

I've never really had a problem with nail strikes when solo club juggling (plenty of bruising to the base of my fingers or my wrists, but that's another issue) but I did used to get a lot of broken nails from club passing.

What helped was to identify what position my hands were in when making the catch.

Things to think about include:
- are your palms facing upwards, or inwards. Changing the angle a small amount in one direction or the other may make a huge difference
- are you reaching up to make the catch, or waiting for the clubs to come to you? (this was my biggest problem with nail impact while passing. Reaching up put my humb in the line of fire)
- are your tripples high-and-lofty or low-and-spinny. Giving them a bit more height may make the experience more pleasant while you work out the kinks

Hope some of that is useful.

Mats1 -

What are some nice club passing patterns suitable for larger numbers (5-8 people)?

  1. 5
  2. 6
  3. 7
  4. 8

This is a competition thread which ran from 16th Dec 2015 to 15th Jan 2016. View results.

The Void - - Parent

Why is this a poll? It makes no sense as such.

Orinoco - - Parent

I'd guess Mats1 was going for a survey.

We don't have a survey option!

I'm still voting for number 6 though.

Little Paul - - Parent

But 6 isn't even prime!

Chris - - Parent

You fool.

Number 5 master race

7b_wizard - - Parent

I think, you're in an old or other competition type mode
and were going for answers like:

1. this pattern for 5 jugglers
2. other or same pattern for 6 jugglers
3. pattern for 7 jugglers
4. pattern for 8 jugglers

.. then people vote for answers and find patterns most voted for.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Maybe radio button "Most votes wins" does that (instead "Poll"), but I haven't used that yet.

7b_wizard - - Parent

But you might then be able to vote for the whole set of proposed patterns (5-8 jugglers) only, not distinct patterns for different numbers of jugglers.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

I'd say 6!

7b_wizard - - Parent

Haha
I expected this answer from The Void.
And vice versa.
What happened?

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Agreed.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Huh? .. Aren't 4 and 9 also nice? Are they?

Mïark - - Parent

I vote 5, the more people you have in a passing pattern the more time you spend getting started and not actually juggling/passing.

Have you checked out the Madison book for multi-person passing patterns, there are also a few 5 and 6 person patterns on Aidan's website

Marvin - - Parent

This poll has now ended. The results are:

  1.   5 (5 votes)
  2.   6 (6 votes)
  3.   7 (2 votes)
  4.   8 (0 votes)

The Void - - Parent

There seems to be a superfluous line break there, Marvin. Tsk.
Oh, and could you stir this coffee for me, please?

Marvin - - Parent

Clockwise or anti-clockwise?

The Void - - Parent

Yes.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Surprisingly there were much more votes on this poll than the othe one...

Orinoco -

You can now easily record arbitrary data about your practice sessions using data tags in the log section. The tag will be converted to a link pointing to a line chart plotting the data (when there is more than one data point). A simple example of at data tag:

bystanders_hit:2

The help page covers everything in a bit more detail. Please let me know if anything is unclear or could be phrased better.

Chart pages include links to all your charts & a link where you can download a .csv file of the data but remember: playing with spreadsheets is no substitute for actual practice!

#NewFeature

This has been on the to do list since October 2013 so nice to finally get this sorted!

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

<looks at post>

<checks timestamp>

Yep, Tuesday evening!

Dee -

Completely off-topic: RSS Christmas Quiz

The Guardian now hosts a version of the Royal Statistical Society's Christmas quiz here: http://www.theguardian.com/education/datablog/2015/dec/07/tackle-the-royal-statistical-society-christmas-quiz

Helpful hints as to the mindset of the setters can be obtained by looking at the solutions to last year: http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2015/jan/16/royal-statistical-societys-christmas-quiz-2014-the-answers

They've made this a little "easier" over the years - it used to be that there were no completely correct solutions, now they get a few!

Orinoco - - Parent

Since when have we had a topic?

Without looking at last year's answers or searching the internet I can answer all of one question. 13 = 8.

Do I win anything?

Mike Armstrong - - Parent

13 = 8

Looking at question 13, that seems unlikely! Do you mean 15 = 8?

I've got answers for most of questions 1, 2 and 3 but that's as far as I've got. Anyone fancy teaming up to try to finish it?

Orinoco - - Parent

I do indeed. Apparently there is more than one way in which I'm rubbish at these quizzes!

Dee - - Parent

A group effort sounds good: however the prize for non-RSS members submitting via the Guardian is a little hard to share out as they are "Significance" magazines [a joint publication by the Royal Statistical Society and the American Statistical Association aimed at general interest statistics - for example I have a piece in the next edition on the general trends pre and post plastic bag levies in the constituent parts of the UK].

The RSS submission has a prize of amazon vouchers (to the value of £100 and £50) and has a few extra clues:

http://www.statslife.org.uk/members-area/quiz/2586-christmas-quiz-2015

Mike Armstrong - - Parent

The prize is the least interesting thing about this!

Dee - - Parent

I know. The bragging rights are quite special. It's really nice to have a quiz that doesn't have easily "googleable" answers.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Last night drunk me was impressed but clueless. this morning sober, cynical me got to grips with a few of them. It's hard, but not as hard as the King Williams quiz which should be out any day now.

Thanks for posting, that's a meaty quiz.

Dee - - Parent

I'm now working on the GCHQ Christmas puzzle [there are multiple stages]. I'd welcome the King Williams quiz to bring back to Ireland for the holidays.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

I've been working through a bit of this in another place.

In no particular order: 1 is Chinese years; 9 is colours of the rainbow with respect to the poems of Tennyson; 12 is tennisists; 5a is cheeses; 3c is Sylvesters; 2a is probably New Horizons; 3a is 'great'; 15 is indeed 8, or 9 if you're being really picky; 4a is Marilyn Monroe references; and 14 is possibly birthplaces and kingdoms of a variety of monarchs.

Enough to get you started?

Mike Armstrong - - Parent

Wow! Spoilers ahoy!
2a isn't anything to do with horizons of any age.
14 is monarchs but you need to work a bit harder on the details ;-)
I've made progress on some others as well but shall we not ruin it if anyone wants to play alone?
Cheers
-Mike

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

I have 2a!

Spoiler tags are for pussies ... but okay.

Dee - - Parent

I think that if anyone wants to work on their own, they should click the option to "ignore this thread" at the top.

Al_Bee - - Parent

Been keeping an occasional eye here but this thread has convinced me that there should be a jugglers team in the next series of Only Connect. Who's up for it?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/showsandtours/takepart/only_connect

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