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Lukedaviesss -

Anyone know what the most amount of catches in async is with 10 balls?

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Is it perhaps 23?

7b_wizard - - Parent

Not exactly the answer, but some 10b context is here with videos linked for catches done, claims and tricks (including yours, which you maybe not know of being linked there), that you can check.   Async ftn leads to a Garfield video (but only 17 catches if I counted right). Ferman does his 26 c in wimpy. Dan Wood 24 c synch ftn. Daniel Eaker's 22 c are synch ftn. Rumford and Gatto claimed 20 c without explicitly telling the pattern). Dietz claimed 28 c on synch.

7b_wizard - - Parent

[*videos linked "incl. yours" - not tricks, sry]

James Hennigan - - Parent

If Gatto got 20 catches it was probably in asynch. I've never seen him try any other pattern.

Lukedaviesss - - Parent

Is there video evidence of the 23 catches?:)

DavidCain - - Parent

Jason Garfield, 20 catches of async fountain - https://youtu.be/Lik27AjCyMQ?start=48

7b_wizard - - Parent

Thx 4 fixing! [ I'm not even trained to count props above 7 :o) ]

Cedric Lackpot -

The Reverend Rolly Bain has died.

According to Martin Zippo Burton on Facebook, Rolly succumbed to a short battle with cancer.

I had the pleasure and privilege of studying with Rolly at Fool Time in '90-'91. To this atheist he was a fine advertisement for the clergy. I still remember him howling "YOU'RE ALL FUCKING CUNTS!!" at the rest of us, shrinking back from his good-natured comedy rage. It is very satisfying to encounter a cleric with a willingness to test the strength of faith and dogma with the fire of ridicule, and to come out of it cheerfully reconciled to the more obvious inconsistencies.

IIRC Rolly was for a time the vicar of the clown's church in Hackney, and I believe continued the dual roles of curate and clown for a good deal of his adult life. Even before his arrival at Fool Time he had been the subject of a tabloid kiss'n'tell about a stalker he collected in the 80s, in a story entitled "ROLLY'S UNHOLY FANCY", and as far as I know he continued to gather more salubrious coverage once he had left, about his quirky mix of circus and Christianity, in particular through the medium of his slack rope act.

I have not met Rolly for at least twenty years, and although it is a pity that he has died too young, I suspect that his life was well lived, fulfilling and rewarding for him and those around him. Requiescat in pace.

Little Paul - - Parent

I never met Rolly, but I do have a clear memory of him being on Songs of Praise some time in the 80s, while my mum was doing the ironing on a Sunday evening.

I can't find any clips from that, but I did find this on youtube

https://youtu.be/qBt9PfmaOFY

Dee -

For those of you who were not at #EJC2016 there was only one proposal for #EJC2019 suitable for being put forward for approval by jugglers at the General Assembly - do the big news is that the EJC is returning to the UK in 2019 after a trip to Lublin, Poland and the Azores in 2017 and 2018 respectively.

Mini - - Parent

Brave.


Where and by who Dee

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

An FB thread suggested Newark. No idea who the gibbering mentals​ kindly volunteer team is.

Richard Loxley - - Parent

I believe the team is being led by Jane Randall?

She has two successful BJCs under her belt, which in my opinion were both superbly run.

A good stepping stone for the EJC I think.

I think the venue is Newark Show Ground.

Squibly - - Parent

I presume you are thinking of the two most recent excellent BJCs in Darton. I believe that Jane also co-ran BJC 2011 in Nottingham.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Jane "just shoot me if I ever contemplate running a BJC again" Randall? That Jane Randall?

She'll be ace.

mike.armstrong - - Parent

She's as good as her word...

Dee - - Parent

I can confirm that the proposed venue is currently Newark Showgrounds and the team is led by Jane Randall. The site was selected partially because of the accessibility of Newark-on-Trent to the East Coast Main line [which, if there are no strikes, means that it takes about 4 hours from Paris by train and 3 from Brussels]. The final 5 km from the train stations in Newark to the site is proving the most problematic; we are hoping that given three years notice, we can arrange some form of usable transport for the final leg of the trip.

This far in advance of #EJC2019 we are still assembling all of the expertise required and we are also in post #EJC2016 review mode of what worked and didn't from an organisational perspective in terms of the things that we can do anything about. No point in being overly critical of things that are either beyond our control or not applicable to our site.

charlieh - - Parent

Right, now to find all the clown cars in the UK for that final 5km....

Seriously though, congratulations to the bidders and let's plan for an amazing EJC in the U.K. - we have a large, active, experienced and multi-skilled community and between us I'm sure we can do wonders!

Dee - - Parent

Thanks Charlie...

We are currently collating a list of things that we liked / didn't really like that we can actively adopt / alter for our site. Also it includes bits that we liked that our site currently doesn't really allow us to do [such as walk to the supermarket] that we have to think of solutions to over the next few years. At the moment it's a bit of a post EJC brain dump, but it's best to get it while still fresh in the head.

You can add your contributions here in this google doc

unigamer -

I went to a workshop at BJC a few years ago were part of the warm-up was based on some technique that gets you to be aware of the position of all parts of your body (hands, feet etc) at all times. Is there a name for this technique or one particularly person well known for it? I'd like to read more about it, maybe also confirm I haven't created some false memory!

barnesy - - Parent

I'm not sure if you mean proprioception?

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

... and it's related concept, PNF, or Proprioceptive Neuromuscular Facilitation, which aims to increase the user's perception of their own body. I first learned about this in the context of Alexander Technique.

Little Paul - - Parent

The most likely suspect for that sort of warmup exercises are probably based on the Alexander Technique https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_technique

Although I've run workshops based on https://www.twjc.co.uk/standingup.html before now, I can't remember if I did one at a BJC though, I was probably too busy not being able to stand up.

unigamer - - Parent

Thanks to both of you for the links and suggestions. Since I can't remember the name of what it was I don't know if those were exactly it. However, they are certainly very similar so I think it probably was and is enough to get me started.

Ben Clarke -

Another new juggler question:

I'm currently working on:
1) One ball contact juggling
2) multiball contact juggling
3) toss juggling balls
4) toss juggling clubs

I really have a long way with clubs and only dedicate 2 days of practice a week to them, about an hour each. I'm wondering if I'm biting off too much and I should just continue to get better at balls right now. I find that very challenging and harder than the contact juggling I'm doing.

So I guess my question is "Am I too spread out to progress?" and "When should one start exploring clubs?" and "Is it fine to NEVER pick up clubs or do you think it is good cross training for the other props?"

Thanks!

Little Paul - - Parent

Are you enjoying juggling clubs?

No? Then it's fine to stop!
Yes? Then why would you want to stop?

I think it's always a good idea to get at least a solid base with 3 clubs as a beginner - because club passing is one of the most enjoyable things you can do with other jugglers!

But if you're not having fun, and find something else more fun instead ... do the thing which is fun!

Ben Clarke - - Parent

I like the idea of being good at clubs, but I'm pretty frustrated, I find it very difficult. Maybe finding a juggling club would help

peterbone - - Parent

I suggest you try to learn it if you like the idea of it. Break it down. Learn 3 balls very solid first, at varying heights. Learn 1 club single spin with both hands. Practice low fast throws, high floaty throws and everything in-between. Hold the club near the top of the handle, not at the end. Then work on 2 throws with 2 clubs. Then do the same 2 throws starting with 3 clubs in the hands to learn the 2 clubs in one hand grip. Then progressively add extra throws.

Little Paul - - Parent

I think my concern would be that you said you devote two 1 hour sessions to clubs per week.

Structured practice can be good for many things, but if you're getting frustrated during that hour session you'll stop progressing. So if you find yourself getting worked up, take a break, have something to drink or a snack, switch to another skill - then come back to club juggling later in the session.

Based on what you've said recently about your skill level - I'd suggest you mix all the skills into a single practice session. Vary it and you'll keep your interest up, keep your interest up and you'll progress.

Play is just as important as practice!

Also yes. You absolutely should find a juggling club. Hanging out with other jugglers is hugely beneficial at all skill levels, but especially so for beginners :)

Ben Clarke - - Parent

Would you all say there are any 3 ball requirements before starting clubs? I have a long way to go with 3 balls but currently working on factory and backcrosses, I know mills mess, windmill, box, shower, and other basic patterns, I've started doing simple fountain with 4 balls.

Maria - - Parent

I couldn't do anything but a regular 3b cascade when I started with clubs.

In the beginning I always learned a trick with balls before learning the same trick with clubs, but not anymore. Now I juggle clubs much more than balls, so I am actually better at most tricks with clubs. My 4 clubs fountain is better than my 4 balls fountain (more solid and higher personal record).

I could ask almost the opposite of your clubs question: Should I keep practicing ball juggling too, or is it OK to only do clubs? I seriously consider to skip the 5 ball cascade and 4 ball siteswaps and just learn it with clubs... It seems like a waste of juggling time to do balls when I really just want to get better at club juggling. I mean, except when I don't have my clubs close or when I occasionally just feel like doing some ball juggling.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

> Would you all say there are any 3 ball requirements before starting clubs?

There are no hard and fast prerequisites. Whilst proficiency with balls is all but certain to be a considerable help, lack of ball juggling is not a barrier to club juggling.

Bend your knees and go for it.

Cedric Lackpot -

Vipa clubs, photo enclosed - David Cain take note!

In a recent thread I mentioned my old set of Vipa clubs and also a set of miniature hand-made cork clubs. Unfortunately I have yet to uncover the homebrew cork clubs but I've found the Vipas.

There were one or two people asking whether they are the modular sort that Vipa produced briefly. Frustratingly, I don't know! The handles of all three rotate reasonably freely against the body but I am unable to discover any method of separating the two parts, and I also notice that the bulb-end screw rotates with the handle so I guess the entire handle and dowel assembly is moving as one.

The clubs are in pretty good shape considering they are likely over twenty years old, they feel surprisingly well-built and rattle-free, they are pleasant to juggle, and in my opinion they are quite nose-heavy.

Vipa clubs - OneDrive link so it won't preview, sorry.

mike.armstrong - - Parent

Oooh, I'd forgotten that there was the option for ribbed handles

DavidCain - - Parent

Thanks.

Little Paul - - Parent

Those brought some long rested neurons back to life. I'd forgotten about the ribbed/transparent handles.

As far as I can remember, those aren't the modular system.

I vaguely recall the floating dowel assembly being a "selling point" as it removes the staple that joins the handle/body to the dowel which is historically a weak point for clubs.

I haven't managed to turn up any advertising material or catalogues that mention them - but the most likely suspects are all in a box of stuff that I lost several house moves ago.

Jeremy Frank -

For those who are planning to trek all the way to El Paso, Texas for IJA 2016 in a few weeks, I've got several workshop slots left. It's a good chance to practice your presenting skills, share your skills with the community, and make some friends.

If you're interested, please fill out the signup form here: http://ija.juggler.org/ -- Thanks!

DavidCain - - Parent

Is there a workshop schedule out. I want to find out when you have the Juggling History Panel scheduled. Thanks.
David Cain

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Pray, what is this Juggling History Panel of which you speak?

Little Paul - - Parent

And what are the chances of someone recording it? (video or audio, I'm not fussy!)

BTW I'm sat in the garden tonight, with a beer and my copy of The Blue Book... and a rather engaging read it is too!

DavidCain - - Parent

It will be a panel of juggling historians and enthusiasts taking questions about juggling history and guiding a discussion of the subject. I expect at least myself, Alan Howard, Scott Cain, and Arthur Lewbel to be on the panel, with one or two others to join the panel. All are welcome to be part of the event. I might as well tease this now, but a Juggling History Convention is in the works for late 2017. Information will be forthcoming later this year! It will be in the USA, but we're really hoping a group from Europe will make it over for it. We'll try our best to make it worth the trip! Regarding the IJA Panel, I'll try to record it.
David

Jeremy Frank - - Parent

Hi David - I've got it scheduled for 3pm on Tuesday. I'll be sending out a link to the full schedule in the next day or two.

DavidCain - - Parent

That's not a good time, as at least half of the panel will be involved in x-juggling at that time. Any chance of moving us to 3pm on Wednesday or Thursday?
David Cain

Jeremy Frank - - Parent

No problem, I'll email you the updated time.

DavidCain - - Parent

Thanks!!!

The Void -

Ashton.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/06/glastonbury-performer-ashton-launcherley-died-after-being-found-doused-in-petrol-inquest-hears
I didn't know him very well, just on nodding terms really. He once or twice came to #Altern8. Crap way to go. Be careful out there, folks.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

I just picked that up on the interwebs a few minutes ago. Terrible news, and one wonders if there is more to it than meets the eye.

I hung out with Ashton a bit years ago at Bristol, then watched him grow and get fit as he attended Circomedia. He was perhaps the kind of character of whom one might not be so surprised by such a happenstance, but that really, really sucks as a bad end to a short life, both for him and his poor family.

Little Paul - - Parent

From what I've heard, it sounds accidental. Possibly a misjudged fire breathe that went wrong (although that appears to be pure conjecture, take it with a pinch of the proverbial)

It's a nasty way to go, and a terrible thing for his friends and family to be dealing with.

Play safe out there people...

Orinoco - - Parent

Someone posted a different story on Facebook that I don't want to repeat yet because I find it hard to believe.

Did he perform in BYJOTY one year? I remember the name but not the face.

Tom Derrick - - Parent

He performed in BYJotY in 2011 in Nottingham. He seemed like a nice chap from the interaction I had with him during that period.

I also heard a different story on Facebook. From the evidence I've read in the news it seems consistent, but I'm not going to perpetuate rumour. I'm just shocked and sad right now.

Little Paul - - Parent

I'm not going to perpetuate rumour

You are of course, entirely correct. I retract my comment.

Jaz Auden -

Clubs that you currently own?

I can only juggle four clubs but I own sixteen:
- 3 flare one piece super spins ( glow in the dark ) these were the clubs I learnt with years and years ago
- 4 yellow juggle dreams with silver wrapped handles, which are now falling apart as they were used to learn four clubs
- 3 green mr babche
- 6 white and black Henry delphins which i use for everything now and are awesome for passing.

Ps. anyone going to Glastonbury? Il be there with my clubs so bring yours.

DavidCain - - Parent

I own at least 250-300 clubs, including at least 150 different types.
www.jugglingmuseum.com
David

Mike Moore - - Parent

I own 0 clubs.

Maria - - Parent

I can juggle 4 clubs, I can pass 7 with another passer who is at about the same level as me.

I own 11 clubs:
- My first clubs, I think they are MrBabache, has some cracks in the handles that make them a bit uncomfortable to juggle. Not using them any more.
- 3 blue Delphins, I use them for indoor juggling at home (so I don't need to un-pack my juggling bag) and when I want to bring extra clubs for passing or as spares.
- 5 purple Delphins, my main clubs right now. They need some repairs soon, the rubber top fell off from one recently, one feels a bit unstable (like if the screws were loose bute they are not) and one more was close to losing the rubber top this weekend. Might have to let Henry's take care of them at EJC, maybe juggle mixed purple and blue clubs until then.

peterbone - - Parent

10 Delphins and a few parts from old clubs incase I need to do a repair.

Little Paul - - Parent

I've downsized somewhat, and I think I'm currently down to:

- 7 delphins
- 6 freaks acrobats
- 3 beard circus specials
- 5ish very broken renegade 95's which I promised Colin E I would fix and then pass on to a deserving cause about 8 years ago

Technically I do still own at least 3 fire torches and "some" knives, but I have no idea where they are. I last saw them in my parents garage.

I'm considering selling the delphins to fund the purchase of a smaller number of clubs that are closer to my taste.

They're white body/white handle, barely used, they have good heritage (I bought them off Jon Udry a few years back) - I'll probably take them all to Crawley, if anyone wants them I'll do them for offers around £60 the set.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Hahaha, too feckin' many :-

  • 10 Renegade 85s
  • 8 or 9 Beard Street Pros
  • 3 old skool Spotlight European long handled
  • 3 Vipas?
  • 4 Jonglerie Diffusion Stage 80s
  • A couple of dozen Beard Circus
  • 6 Babache Flips, or whatever the soft little kiddie clubs are called
  • 3 (was 4, stupid dog) hand-built cork, wood, and fabric mini clubs
  • Numerous Lidl/Aldi juggling sets each including 3 tolerable clubs
  • Enough parts to make maybe a dozen fire torches
  • Various sets of knives, axes, plungers, rubber chickens, etc.
  • Sundry other odds'n'sods, including a set of <shudder> Spotlight Flares, 3 unidentified one piece clubs haling form the 80s or earlier, and a box of Beard parts from the early 90s</shudder>

Orinoco, is there a secret code for posts in pissing contest mode?

The Void - - Parent

Spotlight Flares... were those the ones that you inserted a big sparkler into a metal cage body? Awesomeness!

mike.armstrong - - Parent

Weren't the sparkler ones by Henry's?
I really hope he didn't mean Beard Flares, though they did deserve the "<shudder>"

The Void - - Parent

Oh yes, that's them. Cheers.

Little Paul - - Parent

What no beard beach?

DavidCain - - Parent

What are Vipas? I'd love to see pics of the hand-built cork, wood, and fabric mini clubs.
David

Little Paul - - Parent

Vipa was a small juggling manufacturer set up by H (who founded Beard) after he quit/left/was-forced-out-of (delete depending on whose story you believe the most) Beard.

See http://www.juggling.org/bin/news2html/1999/01/21-102448 (and other articles in that thread)

Archive.org doesn't have much of their website, but what it does have says this:


Vipa Launch 3 World Firsts!

At the 12th British Juggling Convention in Durham, Vipa were proud to annouce three world firsts in the Juggling industry.

The first modular club system, which allows the juggler to have exactly the weight and spin they need.

The first variable spin devilstick

The first juggling knife with the weight and spin of a club


I don't know what Mr Lackpot has, but I would imagine it's most likely to be the knives as I don't think anyone actually bought any of the modular clubs.

NB This is a different modular club system to the Passe Passe one (which used threaded bits of camembert to hold the bits together)

mike.armstrong - - Parent

If my memory of the rumours is correct then Vipa was nominally set up run by Loz (H's son) as there was some kind of clause somewhere preventing H from competing directly with Beard for some time after he left.

Little Paul - - Parent

That sounds very familiar.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

The Vipas were part of a job lot of assorted juggling and other stuff I mistakenly bought off eBay whilst squiffy one night. They are non-modular European-style clubs of rather good construction and still in very good condition. At least I think they are Vipas, I had no idea whatsoever until I showed them to Void who came to that conclusion after a little head scratching.

If I ever find the time I'll dig the Vipas out along with the cork specials and provide David with a much-needed hit of clubpr0n.

The Void - - Parent

Cripes, did I? The only thing I remember about Vipa now is being proudly shown Vipa Golf (Frisbee golf) at Edinburgh EJC, and managing to say "errr, okay, that's... interesting" or similar.

And to be honest, I might be making that up.

Cedric Lackpot -

This one is for Ewan - contains buns.

https://i.imgur.com/We4c1Ze.gifv

I was immediately reminded of Ewan's experiments with trays, cups, and teaspoons ages ago. Stolen from /r/oddlysatisfying

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