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My first balls tutorial, feedback appreciated!
The first tutorial of "Malabarize-se" is online!
It has english subtitles!
I know that probably all of you already know how to juggle 3 balls, but it'd
be awesome if you could give me some feedback!
There'll be more advanced tutorials in the future. Diabolo and CJ tutorials
Please, tell me what you think about the teaching, the juggling technical
aspects, the editing, lighting, recording... well, anything!
Feedback is highly appreciated!
Thank you very much!
Very good, very clear and the lighting and slow mo really help.
It took me a few seconds to figure out how to turn on captions, but then I simply started again.
However a general youtuber might not have the patience, so perhaps it could be better to just put it in your video to begin with (like as titles)? Though at the same time it still works how it is.
The only down side, something you could add to future tutorials, could be explaining some of the steps a little more, for example the height/width of your pattern compared to perhaps what's 'best' to learn (because I personally find teaching others at a slower/higher pattern helps them learn faster). Also perhaps about some of the difficulties along the way that people face (walking forward, not being able to go past a flash etc).
Still really enjoyable like all of your videos :) I love your accent and language, may have to teach myself sometime :P.
I'll think about your tips, but they were really usefull!
Thanks a lot!
And I'm really glad you like portuguese!
I love it too!
I personally don't think the world needs more 3 ball juggling tutorials. Just link any perspective students to either the WJF's tutorial or the Juggling Central tutorial and you should be good to go. This isn't to say your tutorial is in any way damaging or detrimental, I just think that the need for 3 ball tutorials has been fulfilled
I agree with you! Totally!
We have lots of good tutorials to learn 3 balls. But all they are in english.
I had some reasons to make this one:
- I have to create some basic tutorials for the channel, so the non-jugglers will have he option to make all the way since the beginning, and not watch only hard tricks tutorials and figure out by themselves how to start.
- I wanted a simple and short tutorial in portuguese!
"Malabarize-se" is growing and it'll be really big soon! I want to make it a portal for jugglers, non-jugglers, people who will juggle in the future, art-appreciators, and the list goes on...
Ahh that's true, I'd forgotten about the heavy english focus, and your audience would probably benefit from having some instruction to go along with all the entertainment.
Party in ##juggling tonight at 8.30 ish BST (+0100). Bring a bottle.
I'll be there (obviously!) and I'll bring some nibbles
If this works:
That's the countdown to the main event...
or as a more juggling related picture
Haha you're so awesome Paul :D.
But the bad thing is that means it'll be 6am here when the party's happening, and I'm planning on having a late night- though wasn't planning on doing an all nighter... So I guess we'll see, but I'm leading towards not being able to make it now :(.
Are you trying to access through an IRC client or through a browser?
& I for one thought it was really good fun (even if it descended into on topic juggling related chat around midnight). It was sad to see the IJDb go but I think eveyone was in high spirits.
Nice to see some more invitation requests coming through this morning.
So when's the next one?
Do you think their servers are flakey enough that just having 20 people on IRC concentrating real hard will take them down, or do you have a better plan?
We could all just go to the same page. I hear that this wears them out.
Nah, the JIS feeds upon the attention & grows stronger.
I know it is grating for many that the JIS is still kicking around. I used to be among those who wanted it to be shut down rather than continue to stagnate. But now it is just one of the many millions of irrelevant websites that I don't visit.
I don't think anyone else does either. Even with the wealth of content on the JIS I can't remember the last time I saw someone link to one of its pages.
There's quite a lot of good historical stuff on the JIS but it's really hard to find. So much so that years back someone (Itsik/Isaac Orr? Or was it Scott Seltzer?) put together a list of all the good stuff and where to find it.
Unfortunately, I can't find that now either!
Does anyone know what I'm on about at all?
http://juggler.co.il/scott/JIS.htm might be what you mean?
Are my eyes playing up?
Or did the font size and spacing change on this site?
Or is it just the headers?
Whatever it is, it looks different! I like it though :d.
In case anyone hasn't seen the announcement http://www.jugglehub.com/ has been released. I think it looks really good, I like the categorisation which I believe will keep a lot of people happy.
I have yet to be able to log on yet through any of the various methods though so can't comment on posting.
I'll be honest I thought rec.juggling would go with the IJDb, but now with a new interface that is a dedicated juggling website I think it will continue. So where does that leave the Edge? Can you be bothered to follow two different forums for the same subject? Have I done enough to make you switch from usenet to Small Talk? Now that there is a rec.juggling interface that has a foreseeable future again will you be returning to usenet?
I have a perfectly good usenet client and the ijdb's passing was unlikely to make a difference to my rec.juggling usage anyway.
I'll hang out wherever the interesting discussions end up. If that's both places then fine by me.
^ Mostly this
Although over the last month or so, I've found myself checking the edge more frequently than my newsreader. That's probably because it's still all new and shiny.
But yes. I'll be here and on r.j for quite some time to come. I think they fill different niches and I'm quite excited by all the possibilities!
I thought RJ would quieten down but never really go. Jugglehub looks like it'll fall into shape quite soon (I imagine there'll be more shoving than that implies), and I think it may well lead to a busier RJ than we were used to.
I'll definitely still be here though. I don't view the Edge as a replacement or as a lifeboat and I think there's definitely space for more than one place to talk about stuff. I think people will still keep an eye on it. We're a compulsive lot.
I'm more worried about events and club listings not having a definitive home any more, but perhaps we just need to see where that ends up. I don't have any big answers on that one!
And the compendium articles, such as your one on making beanbags, which I often direct people to.
Regardless of whatever else happens - I, for one, would love to see some collaboration on things like events and club information between the different sites that emerge.
Similarly with other language juggling sites - clubs and events could easily be shared between them (and videos too). No idea how it might work, but it might be nice. And noone wants to have to update club information on 10 different sites, or to check half a dozen to see if there's a juggling club in the place they're visiting.
I'm in for both the Edge and r.j. I like the edginess (it passed the spell check) of the future and the historical continuity of r.j
With the xml feeds the Edge could take over the events and clubs role of the IJDb and be mirrored elsewhere. It will be interesting to see how it grows.
Having another forum is no bad thing.
It would be nice to have all the juggling clubs and conventions listed in one place, are their plans to import the clubs/events list from jugglingdb? At the moment it is not particularly easy to add a club or event.
Events (future and historic) may be of interest, but I think clubs data has too short a shelf life to be of any interest unless it's presented as being of questionable vinntage.
My thoughts exactly.
I've been planning on importing events for a while (this will not be a quick thing because the Edge requires more data than the IJDb so there are a lot of gaps for me to fill, plus I'd have to do it in small doses because I don't want to get blocked by Google for excessive geoencodiing which is an essential part of the site).
I've set the Edge up to handle dead clubs which won't show up in any searches unless a user explicitly asks for them, & one of the connections you can set is alumnus which I think would be a nice feature. But for some reason I am really reluctant to import dead club data.
& Mïark please do let me know what is difficult about adding new clubs/events/groups.
I was going to post this to meta talk, but hadn't got around to it;
Adding events with no postcode gets a "failed geocoding. Google Maps returned Status 602" error message and it will not let you post the event until you put a postcode in. This is fine if the event is being held in a building with a postcode, but not all buildings have postcodes and if the event is in a field - fields generally don't have a postcode.
I was in York the other week and encouraged the Univ Jugglesoc to add their club to the Edge Clubs listing, and it took them several attempts overcoming error messages and I don't think they are particularly computationally challenged (after all university students are the top 50% of the country education-wise) I can't remember what exactly was the problem apart from them saying it was a total ball-ache (which isn't the most specific of a bug report). I do remember it would not allow them to say they met twice a week but there were other things.
It would be nice to have a comprehensive listing of active clubs, the jugglingdb traffic light system seemed to work quite well, but for example I have just found there are two clubs in Humberside not on the jugglingdb list (you can possibly find them on facebook if you know their names, neither of which have the words juggling/club/circus/society in their name)
The 602 error is from Google & is something I have no control over that unfortunately. I could ignore the warnings & allow the user to carry on but for clubs I would not be able to locate them on the map search or include them in the 'nearest neighbour' feature, or list them in North-South, East-West order.
When testing I tried loads of addresses in different formats & never had anything fail that I didn't expect to. This is the first complaint I've heard so perhaps I'll record failed geoencoding attempts & see what the case is. I'd prefer to avoid getting into the situation where I have a load of records with incomplete data, but if it really is a problem I'll see what I can sort out.
The dropdown control for meeting times was designed so that I have machine readable data for calculating next meeting dates etc. There is a multiple meetings option at the bottom of the list under 'It's complicated' which opens up a free text area where you can describe whatever strange schedule you like. Did they miss that or is that not adequate?
The Edge has the same functionality as the traffic light system, I just don't display traffic lights. Status 0 is active, Status 1 is unverified in 90 days, Status 2 is defunkt.
Could you please email me the email address of the Yorkie in question? If the bug report won't come to me I shall go to the bug report ;)
...& it's not necessarily the postcode that is the problem, these 3 have successfully made it into the database:
the #WJD-UK is me, I had to put the postcode of the house nearest to where you would turn off the road to go to the field to avoid the 602 error, hence the "(near-ish LA22 0EE)". I had just assumed it was the postcode was the problem since that fixed it.
Yes, no problem - well maybe small problem - how do I e-mail you? I there a messaging feature on Juggling Edge I have missed? or do I use your twjc address?
I'll be staying here, keeping the edge as my main juggling site and just check rec.juggling every now and then.
You've definitely done enough and I've loved the edge since it started, Well done Orinoco! :).
I reckon I'll stick around.
I see The Edge as becoming the new home for Events and Clubs.... although non-English speakers may not be so inclined to list them here. (What with IJDb having been multi-lingual)
I'll be sticking around. I like the simplicity of the site.
The Events and Clubs is great here. I especially like the Events layout, filters by country and date.
Disclaimer : I haven't read the rest of this thread's replies 'cos the page won't chuffin' load! See point 1 below ...
Having more than one place of discussion (that is actually used) is a ballache. It's also a really good thing. Plurality brings its own problems but monocultures, such as r.j has heretofore been, have their drawbacks too.
The real test here is not asking whether the Edge still has a role, it's waiting six months and seeing if it's still getting significant use. I've already noticed that my own behaviour with the Edge is changing, which reflects my own experiences so far, as well as the developing environment here, and I expect the Edge has quite a way to go before it properly settles into a rhythm.
As has been mentioned by others, I haven't left r.j but I've been alarmed by its declining traffic. Its s/n ratio remains satisfactorily high though.
There are a few things that might need to be addressed to ensure the continued good health of the Edge :-
In summary, I can't see a major problem with the continued existence and use of the Edge, but it needs to accept that it's part of a broader church and concentrate on what it does best. I won't be switching from Usenet (any more than I have since the Edge arrived), but I will cheerfully use both. Truth be told, I probably won't use the Hub much because I like fleet-footed newsreaders, but it'll be a reet handy place to search the archives, generate links, and so on.
Does anyone else find the crossposting between Small Talk & rec.juggling odd?
What I spent yesterday doing...
Making a new set of beanbags!
These bags were inspired by Sportco 6 panel balls, though I made them a bit heavier and more compact (I think) and decided to give some different material a go I haven't seen used before.
Anyway, in the end I packed them firm to 175g, ~2.75"(~70mm), and made them out of DENIM! (had some old jeans :P). Compared to my 65mm 80g Russians is a huge change but I'm really enjoying them so far! Enjoying the extra workout and how they fly through the air compared to all my other balls/bags.
They did take a fair bit of work, I finished five yesterday and have 3 more half way through the making process and spent probably 5hrs on them yesterday.. But I'm no pro with a sewing machine or anything :P and I believe it was time well spent :).
Anyway, here's some photos!
I'll let you guys know in the future how their durability and stuff is, and if I stick to them or revert back to my Russians, I'm still not so sure yet myself :P.
No one replied but I'll still go ahead and post a reply based on my thoughts so far :D.
They started to 'break in' a little, and they're feeling really nice to juggle and have made me want to continue juggling beanbags for a while :).
However, they're really not good to juggle outside, they soak up any moisture, and if they fall in water they take quite a while to dry.
They're also not as durable as I thought they'd be- at least the thread I used isn't, cause I've split two seams already just general juggling (though they were from 7 throws). For me this is annoying because I don't want to have to continually repair the balls every few days.
In conclusion so far, they've really made me want to stick with bean bags over russian style balls for a while. I'm planning on making some new ones if I can find some more durable fabric and thread soon, preferably ultraleather, leather, vinyl or something of the sorts (if I can find them) :D.
when the seams split, was it the thread which failed or the fabric?
...or is your stitching a bit on the large side? If your stitches are larger than a mm then they are too big & will come apart easily.
The stitching should have been sufficient, I used the setting with three strikes, like ||| which I'm pretty sure is the same as the 'normal' stitch but it goes over it three times in each stitch. I'm not a pro on the old sewing machine or anything though, only taught myself for the purpose of making balls :D.
I think it's not the problem here, but I've had problems with some materials splitting when I've sewn over the same place twice.
But yeah, sounds like you're heading the right way with the 'get better thread' suggestion. For four panel balls, I like to go over the seams twice which will also help, but I've not found a way to do that for six panel cube style balls. It's probably overkill, but gave me good results with 4 panels so I didn't change it!
The splitting I mentioned there was also a result of too small a stich size - missed that out just now.
Ahh ok, well that's what I was thinking too, of possibly double stitching the seams. I'm thinking of making 8 panel balls next time which I reckon I'll sew in pairs then sew together just like a 4 panel ball, seems easier than the 6 panel ones and would probably be more round anyway :).
Although, my girlfriend has just offered to get me a set of Gballz for my birthday, so I guess if I can't find some good material/thread this weekend then maybe I get a set of those! :D.
I only ever made one set of 8 panel balls and used the method you just described. Was a bit fiddly but I certainly found it easier than 6 panels.
As for buying a set, I think you're getting very close to the stage where your own balls will suit you better than anything you can buy. Or that's how it seems with mine anyway!
Just a heads up on the Gballz thing. If you do go ahead with that, make sure you tell Greg that you want them filled with plastic pellets, as opposed to millet. If he uses seeds (as per the standard Gballz), customs won't allow them into Australia.
Thanks for the advice :) though I did already chat to Greg about it :).
I just spent the last few days trying to make 8 panel balls out of real leather, trying to make them perfect... But each step along the way just got harder and harder and the machine coped terribly... I've now got 5 balls up to the hand sewing part, another two half way through the machine sew... But I think I'm just going to cut my losses and give up and buy balls... The thread broke literally 200++ times through the process and the stitches just turned out crappy- some being long, some short etc... So the quality is probably horrible anyway :(. Besides, the hand sewing seems pretty close to impossible with the materials I have so it's hardly worth the 10+ more hrs it'll take :(.
Looking for new juggling balls (probably 5 or 6).
Currently looking at either gballz or flanny bags off the bag lady. I've also recently found out about happy juggling in denmark. Has anyone got experience with flanny bags vs gballz? Has anyone had balls made by the Dane? Recommendations? Anything else I've forgotten about? I think I've narrowed myself down to 6 panels and leather, but size and weights are a bit all over the place.
From my experience- though it's not very long- I'd say this...
Size: anywhere from 62-78mm should be fine for 5b, I personally mainly use 65mm balls but think I would prefer bigger ones if I had any (maybe closer to 70mm).
Weight: Depending on the type, anywhere from 80g-150g would work well, though again, maybe around 115-120g would be best.
Type: I myself prefer russian style juggling balls to any other that I've tried so far. I made my own out of play pit balls (100 for $12) that are 65mm and filled with salt to weigh 80g. However I also love the feel of beanbags, which my main set are roughly 78mm and 150g.
As for what people will say are the best;
Beanbags: Most people seem to stick to bean bags but go for higher quality ones (Gballz, sportco, bag lady). The general sizes for 5b seem to be between 2.5" and 3" (65-75mm[ish]) and between 110-135g.
Russians: As far as I can tell russians seem to be the second most preffered juggling balls. Heaps of people make their own as I have either from 2.5" or 3" play pit balls, filling them with salt/sand/seed to about 80-100g for 2.5" and 110-130g for 3". However you can also buy them from a few places, if I was going to buy them I'd personally get these http://www.playjuggling.com/offert/kit-plug-play-75mm.html they can be changed to suit whatever weight you want and are reasonably cheap with a thicker and more durable outer shell than play pit balls. (although there are many other types around.)
MMX balls: I myself have only tried the 62mm version of these and don't really like them much as they're kinda bouncy and have bad collisons.. Though I hear the MMX Plus balls are better and more beanbag like, but I don't think they're as universally loved as russians and beanbags.
Sil-x type balls: These sound great to me though I've never tried them, they are apparently alike russian style balls in that they're 1/3-1/2 full of filling, however this time they're filled with silicone and generally have a squishier outer shell (however apparently they're not much like russians for collisions/dead drops at all).
Definitely have a look at other peoples posts and opinions though too cause as I said, I'm not very experienced myself.
Here's a post I made on reddit yesterday relating someone who was buying 5 new balls, this is a broader post though may help.
I've heard good things about both Gballz and Baglady bags, I think Gballz are more popular- though it could just be that more people get them(?).
I think size and weight wise for beanbags anything from 2.5"-3" and 110-150g sorta thing is generally pretty good (though I just checked Gballz and 3" are 180g- so maybe a bit more would be ok :P).
The most popular size and weights from Gballz in particular seem to be 2.75" 130g and 2.625" at 115g
(from what I've seen/heard).
But I'll let you know right now, I have no experience with either Gballz or baglady bags :P so waiting on other replies would also be beneficial :).
Just realized I should have put the bit about it being a post from reddit that was of a wider area at the top of the page :P.
Seen reddit, but wanted to know specifics of the differences and opinions on the 3 types I suggested. I thought that first reply was recommending balls that are a bit heavy and a bit big.
Couple of quick (but important) questions.
What beanbags do you juggle with at the moment?
How heavy/large are they?
What do you like about them?
What don't you like about them?
The answers to those 4 questions should help narrow down what will suit you.
I can tell you what I like/don't like. I can tell you which of those options you suggest I would personally buy - but what suits me probably won't suit you.
Currently I'm using some really crap balls I accidentally bought a few weeks ago (stupid story). Before that I had a set of uglies from oddballs (90g underfilled 6 panel bean bags). I've had a go a bit on other peoples gballz and panda balls and at the moment I'm really considering gballz. Honestly though, I just wanna know what people have to say; now I've heard of these leather balls off the bag lady and the Dane I'm interested. As for size and weight, 63-70mm and probably 110-130g. I'm tending towards the lower end of the spec but I'm fairly sure whatever I get I'll get used to and start to like.
i own a set of 9 six-panel-beanbags from happy juggling. customized weight, size and panel pattern. torben wigger's a great guy; didn't take long for the balls to get here. i paid 60 euro, shipping to germany included. he sent the balls right after finishing them and he even took the time to make a tiny little beanbag keychain from what was left from the leather he used for my balls. after i recieved the balls, i had to remind him twice to send his bank data so i could pay him. :D
i'm pretty sure these balls will last me for years to come; incredible quality. give them a try. you won't be dissapointed.
Any chance you can tell me their size/weight and when you got them? A pic even?
six panels, green with red ends 70mm, 125gr. leather inside out. wanted them lightweight and a little underfilled, so the filling is plastic - was sceptical about it, but since it's not really noticeable it's alright.
crappy pic from imac cam: http://i48.tinypic.com/n32i6a.jpg
got them 18 months ago. had them with me many months in summer; they did break in a little despite the plastic filling, but overall they're not far away from their original condition. still in shape, sewings are tight, not even laying around in wet grass gave them a stain. have to add that i almost exclusively worked with russians from september on, so i basically used them for maybe 9 months.
i'd say it's by far the best beanbag i ever used, but since i live in germany and getting my hands on baglady, sportco or gballz stuff is a little more complicated than ordering balls from denmark i can't compare them to any other common-known upper class handmade beanbags.
Just to clarify - those are real leather not ultraleather (like gballz) right?
I highly recommend Tossaball's from Flying Clipper http://www.flyingclipper.com/home/fly/smartlist_87
I used these as my main beanbags for over 2 years before switching to Russian's. I've still got a few sets of the Tossaballs that I mess with one occasion. They really are fantastically made, and a dream to juggle.
Personally, I recommend either the Tossaball Hybrid 2.65" Ultra Suede Soft Juggle Ball http://www.flyingclipper.com/home/fly/page_573_87/tossaball_hybrid_2.65_soft_juggle_ball.html
or the Tossaball® Hybrid Natural Grain Ultra Leather 2.8" Juggle Balls http://www.flyingclipper.com/home/fly/page_686_134/tossaball_hybrid_2.8_natural_grain_juggling_ball.html
I have a set of both of those and absolutely adore them. The hybrid technology is 100% legitimate and you can read about it here http://www.flyingclipper.com/home/fly/cpage_129/what_is_a_hybrid.html
These are and will be my beanbags of choice for a long time to come. Super durable, great looking, and long lasting.
Question relating MMX balls...
I bought MMX 62mm balls as my first real juggling balls (after using rice filled socks) and really liked them for the first week or so.. However then I made my own bean bags which I preferred by a large amount and then again made Russians which have become my main for the past month or so.
Anyway, I just pulled back out my MMX's today because I was thinking... Do they actually 'break in' and become more beanbag like after use? Maybe I didn't give them long enough to become good? Or do they stay like balls that bounce and collide and aren't the slightest like beanbags at all (although people always say they are)?
The reason I ask is because I wonder if it's worth breaking them in and then seeing if I prefer them to my homemade balls. Anyone have any experience? And what would be the best way to break them in?
Thanks heaps, Dylan.
I've got a few of those 62mm. Until recently mine are all fairly solid, but now that I'm using them more often they've started to have a bit more "squish" to them. It helps if when you drop them they fall on a hard surface rather than carpet. Maybe you could just try throwing them at the ground? I'm hoping that they'll get more like the MMX+ with a nice squishiness
Yeah I was actually doing that today, just pelting them into concrete, standing on them while I juggled other balls, squishing them heaps and what not and I think they're getting a little better, but I guess they'll need more working to get any better- though apparently they don't really :(. Oh well, I'll probably just keep using my Russians (unless I know the MMX's will get better), it was fun using them for a day though :).
I've not tried it my self but I've heard that getting some large pebbles from the beach sticking them in a bag with your bean bags then leave them in your (or someone else's) car for 2 weeks softened them up nicely. This may not apply with today's modern suspension systems. Or will completely trash your bean bags given today's roads in the Uk.
I agree with Void though, I was taken in by the marketing for dx balls, but thought they were awful.
I got some Beard DX balls a long time ago (similar product), also going for the "looks like a stage ball, feels like a beanbag" thought. I found that rather than being the best of both worlds, they were the best of neither. I just didn't get along with them. Recently I ended up with some MMX balls. I tried them for a while, but they still didn't grow on me, and I gave them away a couple of weeks ago. YMMV, but I just prefer a good quality beanbag. (Firmer-packed is my preference, I have some Spotlight Standards (no longer in production) that have stood the test of time for ~10 years now (not that I juggle balls that often...)).
My 2c here.
I originally owned a set of DXs and never really got along with them. I always found that the shell was far too hard, relative to the filling, so they never felt squooshy enough for me. Since then, I've bought a set of MMXs and absolutely loved them. I don't quite remember the extent to which they "broke in", but I know that now I'm perfectly happy with the feel of the semi-soft outer shell and the 90% fill of the millet inside. I don't plan on moving back to a beanbag (unless I ever go back to trying numbers).
I started out with beanbags (Oddballs Thuds), which I found went too soft too quickly (I never owned really good quality beanbags though). I switched to DXballs, which I used for years. I like the firmness of DX but the plugs used to go quite quickly and a few years ago I started practising new 'high impact' throws which were hurting my fingers. I tried MMX but felt they were too soft for this technique (high power with little hand movement) - not firm enough to react well so I made the switch to SIL-X 67mm. They are slightly lighter and softer than DX but still nice and firm. They are good for contact, the right size for palm rolls (for me) and they work well for stalls. Unless they made a 70mm SIL-X I can't see me ever changing again, they are perfect.
Stopwatches at the ready - we now have a records section. Well we've had it for a few days now but a link is now in the top menu. This evening I've fixed a number of bugs & also added the ability to import your records from the IJDb.
As mentioned on Meta I've only focused on record input so far. Better data presentation will follow...
Any problems or ideas please post on the Meta forum. Outrageous showing off can be put into record comments or posted here.
I said to myself yesterday that I would turn my PC off at 9pm no matter what...
Awesome work Orinoco! I'll have to start recording some PB's :d.
Though I guess there's a few I remember that I can add straight up :).
Don't just record personal bests, record your bests for every practise session, you'll see why later...
Very good. The ability to import from IJDb will make theruns redundant in my opinion.
Thanks Peter. I like the idea behind the runs but it will require a lot of maintenance on Jesse's part by design which I think is a bad way to go.
The last 2 records you entered seem to be missing a vital number, were they entered manually or did you import those? I'll track that error down tonight.
I imported everything. I haven't entered any manually yet. I'm not sure what those 2 records are for. I don't have any records on IJDb with 7 or 11 catches.
Actually, I did enter them manually by mistake. I thought the quick entry box was a search box. I've deleted them now.
Can I also suggest:
- Validate the record before entering it to make sure it has all required parts.
- A way of viewing everyone's records for a single trick. Search box for tricks.
- A way of viewing all records for a member from their profile page.
Sorry if any of those already exist.
1. There is a lot of validation involved, apart from the glaringly obvious with hindsight hole that you accidentally found!
2. Click on the prop name for all tricks involving that number of props (this view will also give you links to split that up further eg 3 props, 3 balls, any number of balls), click on the trick name to see all records for that trick.
For search try the filter page http://www.jugglingedge.com/recordsfilter.php? which is currently linked to at the top & bottom of the records list. I won't say how to use it because I'm interested to learn how intuitive it is.
3. If you click on the user's name it will list that person's latest records - grouping of listings, graphs etc. are on the way.
Just found that my 5 ball cascade record is missing from the records section here. It must have been missed when I imported from IJDb. Possibly because I don't have a number of catches specified on IJDb.
Also, I can't seem to add it manually without number of catches. I entered tried 59m3s 5b and it says the number of catches must be an integer. The formatting instructions examples indicate that this should be possible.
Time records have been removed (as written at the bottom of this thread, http://www.jugglingedge.com/smalltalk.php?SmallID=1562&ThreadID=216 )
Thanks. I don't really agree with it being removed for that reason though. Surely having the ability to add just times for some records is more important than the fact that some records may be shown in the wrong order. Perhaps it can automatically calculate number of catches from the time based on approximate throws per second just for ordering them approximately. Throws per second could be taken from average of all entries for that trick which contain both catches and time.
I can understand why times were removed - it did cause some issues, as noted where a 1:00 min time record was ranked above a catch-based record that clearly was much longer. However, for certain types of record, 5-ball for example, time really only makes sense. I don't think anyone is going to want to count catches for records that can start approaching hours!
My 5 ball record was much more modest, I think it was ~ 7 mins, even then I wouldn't bother counting catches. It is far too easy to loose count!
Anyhow - this is a minor point. Having someone (actually two people) pick up the task of putting juggling records online is a great big "YAY" from me :-)
Do the records have to be amazingly good or is this just for everybody to put their personal records on here.
I think it is much more about providing everyone with a online log of their own personal records than some big competition. So add away!
I would say it's 90% keeping track for your own purposes and 10% comparing yourself to others. Although I'm sure the proportions shift for some people!
It's more about recording than it is about holding *the* record if that makes sense?
Most certainly not!
It is (or will be) a tool to chart your progress, to inspire you to practise more. There is no need to feel put off about entering a non-top ten record, trust me no one is going to laugh at you (if anyone does just let me know & I shall smite them for you). If I can work out the mechanics it may even put you in touch with people who are around your level who in turn will give you ideas for new tricks to work on.
Is there a way to:
1) Enter the date (for example if I wanted to add something from last year)
2) Enter time and catches in one post? I'm sure yes but I don't know the format. Is it something like "180s 900c" ?
3) not have multiple entries. If you click on "5 ball cascade" then it's fine to have all the entries. But if I click on "5 balls" then I don't want to scroll through all the millions of 5 ball cascade. Why not just have one entry for each trick, then the full listings on the next click?
1) Yes, enter the date ahem ;)
2) Actually no, this is one of the biggest things I struggled with. How can you compare times to catches? My records system works the same as the IJDb in that time is ranked above catches (so 1 second ranks higher than 1000 catches). If you are recording a time & have additional info like number of catches I think this would be best put in the comments. But other suggestions welcome.
3) Yep, still working on it...
I'm pretty sure "See formatting instructions. Got a lot of records to log? Try the bulk input page. Got a load of records at the IJDb? Import them to The Edge." was not there when I entered my records. It took me a while to find the Import option, which was on my profile. Anyway, maybe I was just being blind/stupid. Fantastic formatting options by the way, I love the freedom.
"maybe I was just being blind/stupid"
More likely that Orin has had the spanners out since you looked and added stuff. He does that from time to time.
Which is why we like him :-)
I've really stuck all sorts of spanners into the presentation side of the records system today. There should be adequate links to the right things.
Two other big changes:
Do you have a reason not to go with the old method of IJDb, where time is above catches, but you can't enter times of less than a minute? Whilst most of my records are catches, often the ones I care about most are finally getting to a couple of minutes with something and feeling I have that trick pretty solid now. A minute seems like a not hugely unreasonable place to switch between catches and times - above a couple of hundred counting starts to get a bit silly.
But thanks for implementing the records section and I've just seen the new graphs which look nice :)
Just a quick note ... I am pretty sure this is a system I inheritted from the juggling records database (JRDb).
2point5 months of juggling!
And I made a video to celebrate :). Well I actually made the video cause I got my GoPro Hd Hero 2 and I happened to have been juggling for around 2.5 months :d.
Would be great to hear some pointers/tips and some praise if I deserve any :D.
That is amazing after such a short time.
I can't exactly remember what I could do after 10 weeks but I'm sure it wasn't al of this.
Enjoy the rapid progress while it lasts
I think you qualify as a juggler!
I'm curious though, I get the impression that you have learnt all that in relative isolation? I know you have access to a lot of online material but you've not been to a festival yet & there are no other jugglers near you? If that's true what do you think has made you stick at it so well?
Yep, I'd say 100% isolation... Mainly juggling in my room/outside my house with no one else to juggle with or any real inspiration other than what I find online.
I find that juggling communities like this, people watching and commenting on my videos and all the help I get from tutorials/chatting to jugglers is enough :). I've also got basically all day 4-5 days a week to do nothing atm as I'm still on a doctors certificate and can't work due to an operation on my leg about 3 months back (which i what lead me to start juggling to begin with).
I know my progress will slow down a lot once I start working and then Uni next year, but I think my love for juggling and my inspiration will just increase as I learn more and more. I feel that with juggling, because there's always more to learn, there's always a challenge and something to aim for- which makes sticking to it that much easier :).
Also as everyone that's talked to me on ##juggling knows, I'll be moving to Melbourne next year where I'll be going to Uni with my Gf and will probably start attending the juggling club! So I'm really looking forward to that! Also I'm starting to plan on going to the Melbourne juggling convention this year which I think would be really valuable and really open up my view on juggling! :).
#Jugglestruck ball duet.
http://www.jugglestruck.co.uk/shows.htm tells us this was recorded in the Public Show of EJC 1993, Leeds, UK. I was lucky enough to be at that show, and this was my favourite act. So nice to see it again. This vid has been on the web for a few years now, but I don't remember seeing it mentioned anywhere, so I thought some of you lot would like to see it.
I believe they may also have performed at Norwich BJC in '95 (according to a review by Anna in The Catch magazine, I wasn't there myself).
http://thebritishjugglingconvention.co.uk/wiki/index.php?title=BJC_8,_Norwich,_1995#Public_Show agrees with you. I was at that show too, but I don't remember them there!
Well if it is on that wonderfully well-written wiki then it must be true, Rob Stone remembered them being in the public show at Norwich.
According to the wiki they were also in the public show at BJC Nottingham (1997) and according to Scott Seltzer their performance can be seen between the 42nd and 48th minute of Alan Plotkin's video of Nottingham BJC
(unfortunately vimeo won't fast forward at the moment and I can't sit through 40m minutes of 90's jugglers)
I appear to have wandered off on some confused tangent, I ended up talking about two separate things, please ignore my last post (especially anything after the first sentence). Oops!
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