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Orinoco -

You can now download all your data if you want it.

As previously mentioned the GDPR is new legislation which mandates stricter controls for personal data of EU citizens & gives you the user more rights on how your data is treated. It comes in to effect on 25th May 2018. I have no idea how they think they are going to enforce it.

I've been tweaking lots of things over the past few weeks to comply with the legislation.

The only major missing part of the puzzle was data portability. As a webmaster handling personal data I need to provide you with a way to download that data should you wish to move to another service or if you just want to see what I know about you. To that end you now have a new page where you can get at everything I've got, you will find a link to 'My data' on your home page & your profile page.

Go nuts.

#NewFeature

Orinoco - - Parent

Oh & we also now have a cookie information page.

Orinoco -

You can now include links to instagram posts in the records section.

We also have a new +ringonankle modifier for Norbi Gatto style 'with a ring spinning on the ankle' type tricks.

That is all.

#NewFeature

Orinoco - - Parent

That should've been Norbi/Gatto. I'm pretty sure Norbi has not married into Nick's family.

Although I can't say that with complete certainty.

Mike Moore - - Parent

He wasn't at Turbo this year. Probably honeymooning.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

If only there was an "edit your post" feature ;)

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

There is. In Reddit, Facebook, Instagram, blogs, forums, Uncle Tom Cobbleigh and all ...

Norbi - - Parent

Now just to add +ringonankle to https://www.jugglingedge.com/help/tossformat.php where she belongs

Orinoco -

You can now import events from Facebook.

That is all.

Coo, been a while since we've had a #NewFeature. There have been quite a few changes, just nothing worth announcing.

Orinoco -

Just copied live some changes to the records section. The goal is to fix a number of usability issues pointed out by Varkor. The focus has shifted from 'what records have been posted recently' to 'what is the top record'. There is more consistency on what links lead where, I've taken out some stuff that was never used & fixed a load more minor errors. Let me know what you think.

Thank you Varkor for the suggestions. Alternative entry method still to come...

#NewFeature #MoreofaRevampReally

Mats1 - - Parent

Awesome!

Stephen Meschke - - Parent

Thank you for creating the Records part of this site. Records is great data.

I preferred the way it was. I liked being able to see recently posted records, and I can only see those on the 'Latest Activity' on the index page now. Recent records are relevant to Logs and Small Talk, and add to the Juggling Edge experience.

Hall-of-fame should be listed by order of record popularity : 7b Cascade (488 records), 5b Cascade (455 records), 6b fountain (333 records), 5c Cascade (303 records), etc.

Minor things:

  • There are 1029 individual tricks in the records page. The link to download the records is effectively hidden at the bottom of a long page.
  • The link to 'Latest Records' in Recordsstats just goes to Records. The link should say 'Back to All Records,' instead of 'Latest records.'
  • There are 2346 comments, and 188 video links in Records.csv. How do you view these now? While not many posted links to videos, my links got clicks.
  • At the bottom of the '7 ball cascade records' page, it says, 'Your current rank: 31.' I don't understand what this means.

Mats1 - - Parent

"I liked being able to see recently posted records" - Is it possible to have top records and most recent records side by side, nicely formatted, on the records screen, Mr God Emperor?

Orinoco - - Parent

Mats1: It is possible but you know more people use phones than desktops now right?

Mats1 - - Parent

Great point.

Orinoco - - Parent

You can still access most recent records. If that's the main thing you are missing I've added a link to latest records at the top of each page

In the last 4 months only 4 people have accessed the download links, so I'm afraid they will always be at the bottom.

Noted on the videos I can't tell who clicks links to external sites. This is not something I've thought about. I will have a think.

'Your current rank' means your best record ranks 31st out of everyone who has logged a record for that trick.

Little Paul - - Parent

I don't want to stick my oar in too much as I don't use the records section - but would "31st out of 76" make it clearer?

7b_wizard - - Parent

Looks very reduced now ..

Latest, recently posted records (on any trick or s'swap):
are they still accessible, as no link seems to point there anymore now that the top records link points to all records?   I liked to follow all new records to see what there happened outstanding ones and ones that I work on myself. The recent records page just showed more and all for download in case there were many records logged on a day since my last visit that wouldn't show up in the summary. Now one will actually miss these recent ones older than summary, but recent since last visit.

Specific records for a trick / s'swap:
the lists for these now show only the top 20. You can't compare yourself to who's on similar level as yourself anymore.   5b cascade for example starts showing up at James Hennigan's 1117 catches (https://www.jugglingedge.com/records.php?PropNumber=5&PropType=b&Trick=cas). Everyone below that working on 5b cascade will not even show up.
(Did find a way to browse specific tricks' recent history, though: download csv and simply open it with a plain text editor. It shows that tricks' logging chronology.)
Also you don't see anymore how many people are working on that specific trick.

One doesn't anymore see what people except the few cracks are working on. Especially the popular frequently logged tricks.

[varkor in meta:] Honestly, I think other than a global "recent records" section, wanting to see the records that have recently been logged is very uncommon—I'd much rather see all-time records (i.e. in the table).
I think it was adding to transparency of what people are actually working on thus adding to knowing about what tricks single users, but also the community is presently focussing on. (Like, I thought to have spotted an increased interest in bodythrows, after last year it was boxes; sth "with balance" or "with head bounce" being unchangedly all time popular). But, well, if it's never been used .. I might have been the only one interested in what others log, whereas i thought that was part of the sense of logging records here.   And all-time records were there before, maybe just not linked as expected, no? Hm ..

Now, that clicking an user (or oneself, if even showing up among top 20) in a tricks record list points to all that user's records, lower ranked user's records logging history, one's latest records, for that trick is also like .. gone. Only accessible over the "entries" for top 20 users. Clicking on "my records" gets me to all my records .. no my logging history and progress chart anymore!?   [somewhat messy .. I don't look through it all .. A'll just click ("PREVIEW", then) "POST" ;o) .. ]

Is there a reason, a consideration on appearance impacting on community and communication behind this? I think records and their logging's data are by nature complex and sortable in many ways (by trick, by date, by user, by ranking) and there might be no easy way to browse them (present and link them respectively) in respect to usability.   Or is there else a mass of data and webspace issue?

7b_wizard - - Parent

Short:
Latest records except for summary on front page .. gone.
Anything below top 20 of a trick .. gone.
Individual progress chart and latest records logs except for top 20 .. gone.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Ah! .. found a way to browse my progress: https://www.jugglingedge.com/records.php?UserID=885&PropNumber=5&PropType=b&Trick=cas - simply edit my UserID into the url of another user's chart. Or generally us editing the url. So it's not all gone :o)

Orinoco - - Parent

I was prompted by Varkor's post which made sense to me. I enabled logging of what links got clicked for a few months to see if I could spot any trends.

The main consideration for the change is that over 60% of people took one look at the records page then did not visit any other pages. Which is a pretty clear signal that it was not working! So I just want to try something different for a while.

Most people enter the site into Small talk & browse through 2 or 3 pages (Hello! Come & join in!), next in popularity is the events section where people will view 5 or so events which is pretty fantastic. Records is the 3rd most popular entry section.

Those that were clicking through to other records pages were clicking through to a specific trick, which used to contain a leaderboard of the top 50, a list of people also working on the trick which in practice just duplicated the leaderboard. Very few people were clicking through to a user's records that wasn't their own.

I've got individual progress charts showing in the dev site, not sure why they aren't in the live site. I'll have a look at that in a second...

Webspace isn't an issue but the records section is by far the most complex part of the site & Dreamhost's sql servers aren't the best available in terms of query speed, so too many complex queries can have an impact on the rest of the site which I want to avoid.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Ah! Everything's back now ("latest records", progress & chart). Great! Thanks for changing that!

James Hennigan - - Parent

How can I view my comments on old records? I can see a few of them in the 'Latest Records' section, but I can't find ones that are months old. Previously, when I clicked on my 6 ball fountain record, I would get a graph followed by a list of all the records I logged for that trick, including the comments I left on them. Now I only get a graph: https://www.jugglingedge.com/records.php?UserID=990&PropNumber=6&PropType=b&Trick=ftn

Some of us mainly use the records section to track our personal progress, but now it seems like it's only made for the best jugglers to compete against each other. When I click on the '6 ball fountain' link on MY personal records page, it seems much more sensible that I should get a list of all my records for that trick, and not be sent to the leaderboard.

Also there are 2 minor issues I've spotted:
I'm currently 14th on the 6 ball leaderboard, but my rank is apparently 21. Similarly, I'm 20th on the 5 ball leaderboard, but my rank is 33.
Some identical tricks are listed separately e.g. (8x,6)* and (8x,6)(6,8x), [44]0 and 0[44].

Orinoco - - Parent

The leaderboards have always been exclusive. The previous leaderboards showed a maximum of 50 people. It's now set to 20 which I'd argue is still too high, I think most people don't care past the top 5. The new format is less exclusive because no matter where you rank your position is displayed.

Playing with it all a bit more though, I think you are right about links from your records page. Personally there are only two records that I am personally interested in and I can easily remember what they are so I don't need to see my own records. However, I can see that for people tracking lots of records this would not be the case. Sorry Varkor, I get that having the same links pointing to two different pages depending on context is generally a no-no on the web but point 2 revoked (But 1, 3, 4, 5, 6 stand!), links from a user's records page now back to linking to their records only.

I've also added back the records stream in a couple of places that hopefully should placate those that miss it.

For the 2 minor issues, counting is now corrected & identical tricks merged.

I appreciate that this has been quite a big change which appears to be unpopular. Please bear in mind that most people don't complain, they just go elsewhere, so I do need to make decisions based on how I see people using the site.

Which is not to say I don't want any complaints, please keep the feedback coming. Dealing with feedback is a lot easier than trawling through access logs trying to filter out human traffic from bot traffic.

James Hennigan - - Parent

Thanks very much for your response. There still seems to be an issue with the ranks. I'm 20 on the 5 ball leaderboard but my rank is 21.

Orinoco - - Parent

Should be even more correct now.

Mats1 - - Parent

Can it be a user preference as to if recent records or top records are displayed?

Orinoco - - Parent

It can but I'd like to see how the change is used for a bit first.

Mïark - - Parent

Could there be links at the top to the different prop types? - to save scrolling past all the boring props to get to the more interesting records.

Mïark - - Parent

#metatalk

Orinoco -

Thanks to the fantastic Let's Encrypt Project you can now use the Juggling Edge over an encrypted connection. Just change the url from http to https.

#NewFeature

That's going to come in handy...

varkor - - Parent

Any disadvantage to enforcing HTTPS by default?

Orinoco - - Parent

It is obviously slower (albeit infinitesimally so these days).

https pages are not (or at least should not be) cached.

Some proxies/firewalls don't allow https traffic.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Well I never.

I've been running HTTPS Everywhere since BT thought it would be a simply smashing idea to start injecting ads for themselves into their customers' HTTP requests (hint: It wasn't you massive band of cynical cockwombles) and I don't think I've ever noticed another site that reverts to HTTP. I don't require enforced secure connections but it hadn't even really occurred to me there might be places that don't do it.

About bloody time too! <shakes g33k="" fist=""></shakes>

Orinoco -

Several improvements to Causal diagrams this week.

We now also have a sandbox with options to tweak the dimensions & colours allowing you to create some truly horrendous looking diagrams. Also has the ability to export as a png image.

#NewFeature

Maria - - Parent

Awesome! I like the sandbox and ability to export the image, nice to play with and maybe I'll share a causal diagram somewhere outside of the Edge sometimes... :)

varkor - - Parent

Just thought I'd let you know that it doesn't look so good on Retina / @2x displays at the moment — the <canvas> is upscaled, so it gets all blurry. (The trick is to draw everything at twice the size, and then downscale with CSS.) Just to make things a little more complicated for you!

Orinoco - - Parent

I liked things better when a pixel was a pixel.

Is that better?

varkor - - Parent

Yep — that's much nicer! Thanks!

Orinoco -

You can now easily record arbitrary data about your practice sessions using data tags in the log section. The tag will be converted to a link pointing to a line chart plotting the data (when there is more than one data point). A simple example of at data tag:

bystanders_hit:2

The help page covers everything in a bit more detail. Please let me know if anything is unclear or could be phrased better.

Chart pages include links to all your charts & a link where you can download a .csv file of the data but remember: playing with spreadsheets is no substitute for actual practice!

#NewFeature

This has been on the to do list since October 2013 so nice to finally get this sorted!

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

<looks at post>

<checks timestamp>

Yep, Tuesday evening!

Orinoco -

Sock puppet management! There are a few club/event specific accounts on the Edge now. If you are in charge of one of these accounts you can now link it to your personal account to make posting easier.

Go to your settings page, under 'Other setting pages' you will now find a link to 'Manage alias accounts'. To add an alias enter the username & password of the other account then click 'Add new alias'. You will now find a set of radio buttons on the main new post form where you can select which user you wish to post as, meaning no more logging in & out of different accounts.


Alias accounts only work one way. Consider 3 accounts:

  • A: Your personal account
  • B: A friend's personal account
  • C: An account for an event you are organising

You add C as an alias to your account A so you can easily post announcements about your event.

You share C's login details with B who also sets up C as an alias so that they can post announcements too.

Both A and B can post as C.

B will NOT be able to log in as C and post as A.


Isn't that fantastic Marvin?

#NewFeature

Marvin - - Parent

No.

Norbi - - Parent

Well look at that, it was already set up! Magic. Cheers, that's going to save time.

Do my C accounts get unread direct reply notifications on the site?
And, is it possible to get an email to my A account address, if someone replies to my C account post?

Orinoco - - Parent

Not at the moment, but I'll add it to the list of things that the new notifications system needs to handle.

In the meantime does your C account have auto forwarding abilities?

Norbi - - Parent

It does now! Apparently it was off, and it also took me a while to find the option. I'm obviously blind.

Orinoco -

You can now block individual threads. At the top of the first post of each thread, & after the details of each thread on the index page you will find a new "Ignore this thread" link.

To unblock a thread go to Settings > Other Settings pages > Manage blocked users and threads.


I am sorry for the general shitty vibe of the site recently. Thanks for sticking with us.

#NewFeature

Monte - - Parent

If you think I am responsible for the general shitty vibe of the site recently I am happy to stop posting and leave the site. I don't want to piss on your bonfire Orin. I know you put a lot of hard work into it.

Orinoco - - Parent

I don't want anyone to leave, you know that. I'm not unhappy about you questioning me, I admit I was a bit irked by the timing of your thread which was less than ideal for me but there was no way you could've known about that so I certainly can't & don't hold it against you.

On the positive side, recent events has made me focus on tightening up the self moderation tools which I think leaves this site a better place than it was before which I'm very pleased with.

Thanks for your appreciation.

Monte - - Parent

But if you think my thread is making people stay away from the site, self exile seems to be my only honourable course of action.

Monte - - Parent

Before I keep my promise to stop posting I feel an explanation of why I started the offending thread is required to ensure there are no hard feelings between myself and many jugglers I have valued as friends for a long time now.

Personally the best justification was Ethan's thread thanking me for standing up for him and his admission that exclusion from the site had left him angry and bitter and that the ensuing debate had made him re-think his attitude and made him try harder to think before he posted in the future.

Now I realise this is not good enough for some people who expressed that they found it tedious or tiring to wade through. For these people I would just like to ask them if they would feel differently were they to have been excluded for some petulant remark they had made in the heat of the moment and which they were not afforded the chance to say sorry or explain why they behaved in such a way. Ethan was eventually given the chance and I think most of us would say he made a very good job of explaining and apologising for his actions.

Some members (LP for example) have wondered why I spent so much energy on this thread instead of talking about juggling. A valid question which I will try to answer. I have been part of the juggling community for over 20 years now and have already had discussions about most juggling matters and I am now at the point where I believe juggling is like sex- much more fun to do than talk about. Why then am I even on this site? Short answer because rec.juggling no longer really exists. Long answer because after 20 years most of my best and most valued friends are from the juggling community and not wanting to be on facebook this is a good way of chatting to them between conventions or other social gatherings.

I hope this goes some way towards explaining why I caused " a shitty vibe" on Orin's baby.

Now I know certain people will be glad to know I am shutting the f@&k up but I hope at least some of you will miss my attempts at humour or my willingness to defend a point of principle.

I will continue to lurk in the background and will of course keep you informed about my baby BBU if anything important crops up but I will refrain from posting anything else for fear of driving away current or possible future members.

Thank you and goodbye

Monte

Mike Moore - - Parent

"I hope at least some of you will miss my attempts at humour or my willingness to defend a point of principle."

At least one. Sorry to see you go.

Little Paul - - Parent

You know, when Orin said to me (in another channel) that we hadn't had a good flounce in ages and were probably die one...

I truly expected the next flounce to come from Ethan, not from you :P

8/10 for style

Monte - - Parent

Didn't Jason Garfield once say

"it's no sport if you have to mark it for style"

Monte - - Parent

Is there a symbol for a rhetorical question mark?

Orinoco - - Parent

Oh good grief. I don't know why you think this is about you. Truth is a lot of the shitty vibe hasn't happened directly on this site but on other channels that you are not involved in. I know my frustrations at having to deal with all that have been creeping onto this site which was what I was apologising for.

All I want to do is move on.

You are welcome back any time.

Monte - - Parent

Well I guess because I asked twice (indirectly I'll admit) If you thought I was responsible. I took you not answering to be a diplomatic yes.

But # I guess assume makes an ass of u and me.

Orinoco - - Parent

Unfortunately I can't always reply to everything straight away. I've got a lot on at the moment, & contrary to popular belief I do go out occasionally!

You know who you've worn out, they are fully entitled to be so if they wish, & you've explained why you felt your actions were justified. It's entirely up to you how or indeed if you modify what you post in future for those people. Choosing exile strikes me as an extreme response.

Gutted that you posted before I could get my flounce clock in place. Did anyone have 14 hours 27 minutes?

Monte - - Parent

Not sure how to close my account though you would have to explain how I do it.

Orinoco - - Parent

No one is allowed to leave. Ever.

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

Seriously

more

blocking?

What

I

want

to

know

is

how

do

I

block

the

blockers?

shawnlives - - Parent

That felt good.

The Void - - Parent

The list view needs a hyphen or comma or something between "Ignore this thread" and "Mark thread as read", for readability, IMO.

lukeburrage - - Parent

Ironically, if someone you have blocked begins a thread, the option to ignore the thread isn't available, as the link is only on the first post, and that is hidden.

Orinoco - - Parent

Very good point. Not the case any more.

Orinoco -

Posting a link to a Tweet on the Edge now makes auto-embedding magic happen.

"Citing a quotation doesn't necessarily make it true or interesting." - The Void.
— The Void (@TheVoidTLMB) October 21, 2015


#NewFeature

Oh, yeah, that's a good point. Hashtags within the Tweet will link to Twitter, those outside will link to the Edge.

Ethan - - Parent

BAWESOME!!!

The Void - - Parent

That's the tweet I was going to test-post, so it must be true. ;-)
Alright, let's have a go of a picture tweet too....
Good clickers! MoNKe started off well tonight. Onwards! #kendama #けん玉 https://t.co/dNuPTbIBkJ >Events>MonthlyMondays pic.twitter.com/eCDTtRzEMF
— The Void (@TheVoidTLMB) October 12, 2015

Ethan - - Parent

Hey orin! While we are still talking about new stuff........I just had an idea!!! For once in my life;) alright here it is...

Imagine that in-between the records and the logs section links on the top of the page, there is a section that says "tricks", or something like that. And when you click on it, you are taken to a page where you can post boss tricks, like 7 up 1080s connected to back-crosses.....

And taking it a step further, you could have a rating system. So if you like somebody’s trick, you can give it 5 stars........."phew" I got it out of my brain before I forgot it.........What do you say orin?? Bad idea, good idea, boss idea, DISGUSTING idea??

Ethan - - Parent

Bawesome idea?

Orinoco - - Parent

A section to vote on who has the best imaginary trick? I'm going to give that one a miss...

Ethan - - Parent

ha ha! by posts I mean videos;)

Ethan - - Parent

Like, you post a video of you doing the trick..........An imaginary trick would be cool though;)

Orinoco - - Parent

In which case sounds exactly like the records section.

The Void - - Parent

I'm pretty sure that a link to juggling.tv would achieve exactly what you want. You can upload videos of awesome tricks there, and people can vote on them, and add comments too.

Ethan - - Parent

now, I WOULD use JTV.......but I'm not patient enough to go through the uploading process........

The Void - - Parent

Well, this has veered nicely off-topic, hasn't it?

So, do you mean uploading videos (to anywhere) generally? Or is there something specific about JTV that you find difficult? If it's the upload time, then that's dependant on your file size and internet connection, not the website in question. Compressing can ultimately often save you time: http://juggling.tv/compress.php *

* Wow, VidZap 8.3 is really behind schedule.

Ethan - - Parent

I think my main problem is that I don't compress my videos. I'm not patient enough to go through one more stupid process.........I like to get things done FAST with no nonsense.....

Alright here are my problems with JTV:

1. I don't like having to "Select 1 to 3 Style Channels for your video" and "Select 1 to 3 Prop Channels for your video."

2. I don't like not being able to see that uploading process. I like being able to see if it's 3%, 43% or 90% uploaded.

3. I wish there was a way to upload videos off of youtube........for example, the other day I wanted to upload some of my youtube videos to JTV but I couldn't find a way to do it.....

The Void - - Parent

Okay, well....

1. That's a minimum of 2 clicks. Is it really that time-consuming? These are there to help make JTV more organised, which means a) YOU will be better able to find videos, and b) other people will be more likely/able to find YOUR videos. Sorry, we won't be changing this.

2. Okay, there's a problem here. We have an upload progress bar! If you are on iOS 6 (invisible) or iOS 7 (non-progressing), it doesn't work properly. From iOS 8, it's working fine. If you're not on those platforms, please tell us what platform/browser you are on. The JTV Quality Controller is on the end of
qc @ juggling . tv

3. Directly? No, for all sorts of reasons. But you could use a ripper/downloader/browser extension to grab the highest resolution mp4 file that YT uses, and then upload that to JTV. But given your point 1, I suspect you won't go for that. ;-)

Stephen Meschke - - Parent

In regards to point #3:
Downloading videos from Youtube is easy, as long as you uploaded the video:
Youtube --> creator studio --> video manager --> select 'Download MP4' from edit dropdown clickbox

The Void - - Parent

Oh yes, I should have known that, thanks.

Orinoco - - Parent

I've just started playing around with Twitter a bit more. If that's your thing please follow my personal account @JonRelf so I can find you & you can help show me around. I've also set up @JugglingEdge but don't know what to do with it yet.

The Void - - Parent

Well, you could auto post "New #juggling event added to The Juggling Edge: [link to event page]". And how about the same for every new record?

Orinoco - - Parent

I've just plugged the latest events feed into https://twitterfeed.com/. Let's see how that works.

And how about the same for every new record?

I'd like to attract followers.

The Void - - Parent

Cool. I've found IFTTT.com is more tweakable, should you need it.

Orinoco - - Parent

Thanks for the tip, the first run through didn't work very well!

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