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Mike Moore -

9 ball preparation

I'm looking to direct my juggling into numbers for the next while, specifically working on 7b in a way that will make a somewhat sustained 9b more feasible in the future. I've been enjoying 5 and 7 ups (no 360s) and praciticing 7b at what I expect 9b height will be. Finding these really fun.

My siteswap abilities are a fair bit below my base-pattern abilities, so I'm working through some remedial siteswaps with 5 (771, 75751, and the very non-remedial 933).

What are some other things to work on? Unless it is absolutely necessary, I'd like to avoid 8b and 6b (except in cascade patterns).

Austin - - Parent

Personally I think just try and work on lots of tricks back to pattern with 7, as they are both more fun and more productive than slaving away at 9. Try the 5 and 7 ups with 360s, and try getting a few rounds of 966, 867 and b6666 back to pattern. I also like working on (8x,6)*. On top of that, although I can get 100 catches of 7 most attempts I think it needs to be a lot more solid to be working on 9. Why not try 8? It's a lot easier than 9 and helps with the speed and height.

Mike Moore - - Parent

Thanks for the response. I've worked a little on 966 and (8x,6)* and will continue doing so. I don't like 360s (aesthetically, conceptually, and physically - they're normally asymmetric and hurt my knees when I practice them too much)

Do you think that b6666 and 867 are really useful for 9? Perhaps as a general "it'll make you spend more time on 7b siteswaps", but they seem to be pretty unrelated to a 9b cascade. Which leads me to...

I don't do base patterns of even numbers. I don't like the feel of the scooping motion, and collision avoidance in fountain patterns is a skill of mine that lags behind (and I am fine with it doing so). I've certainly /tried/ 6 and 8b, and worked on 6 enough at least to know that I don't like it.

Current 7b status for me is breaking 100 catches about once/practice.

Austin - - Parent

Well b6666 certainly will be as it will help your ability to have enough control over 7 to get out high throws. If you can do it, 978 would be worth working on if you dont want to do fountains. Other than that I just think getting 7 both rock solid and correctable is the best way forward, and I do that by trying to get increasingly hard tricks back to pattern, preferably with a nice run afterwards to show control. What balls are you using for it?

peterbone - - Parent

I personally don't think that any 7 ball siteswaps would be much help for 9 balls. I mean look at Gatto's 9 balls. 9 balls is all about throwing with a very consistent height and accuracy, which siteswaps won't help you with. You're already working on 7 balls high, which is one of the best exercises for 9. Get is as accurate as you can. I'd also recommend working on 7 low to get used to the speed. I'd also suggest to do these exercises with a range of different balls from small to large and light to somewhat heavy. Large balls with 7 will give you the pattern shape and arm position needed for 9. Other than that, just go for 9 with many short sessions.

Maybe these articles will help as well. The first I wrote mainly for flashing high numbers but a lot of the points may be helpful for running 9 as well.

Mike Moore -

Pattern modifier: inverted

I searched through the pattern modifiers and found "is" for inverted shower, but no standalone "inverted" modifier. Does it exist/how would I make one?

Orinoco - - Parent

It does not exist/you write some code for the records section :P

I've never gotten around to adding this to the records section properly for two reasons. Firstly, inverted (& inverse) are usually stated before the pattern unlike all the other modifiers, which means I have to write some code & can't just update the modifier definitions & I'm lazy!

Mstly though it is because I'm not sure my understanding of the terminology is the same as everyone else's. My basic understanding is:

Inverted = upside down
Inverse = time reversed

...but I have heard jugglers use these two terms interchangeably, which strikes me as wrong. But inverted also means inside out & inverse also means opposite so not entirely out of the question.

Going by my definitions, every pattern has an inverse, but not every pattern can be legitimately inverted(?). I try to configure the modifiers so that you can't record impossible patterns. I haven't really figured out in my mind how to differentiate what is & isn't possible.

In the meantime though try using invt+ or invs+ before the pattern code in your input eg. # 3b invt+sprungcas I trust you to use it responsibly!

Mike Moore - - Parent

I agree with your definitions (though I seldom hear inverse), and I would not use the terms interchangeably. With "inverted", I'm of the camp that it can ONLY be applied to 2xs (I could maybe be convinced to include 1s...maybe), and it means to "be thrown such that its path goes over (both of?) the other balls".

These days it's also applied to Julius's fantastic sprung cascade pattern where he throws it over 2 of the 3 other balls. Everyone's accepted this because throwing the 2x over all three of the other balls seems infeasible.

Weeee, thanks for the add! I wonder if Julius will add his record to it!

Orinoco - - Parent

Interesting observation about inverted patterns must contain a 2x throw which goes over everything. I'd not thought about it that way before. All the inverted patterns I've seen are box & shower variants where the inverted pattern looks like the base pattern reflected along the horizontal axis, so I have been taking inverted literally.

With hindsight 'underlined' & 'overlined' would have been a better descriptor for these patterns.

Heather Marriott -

3rd Annual Yavapai Juggling Festival coming up in Prescott Arizona.

Yavapai College 1100 E. Sheldon St Prescott AZ 86301

Sept 8th-10th 2017 Free open juggling in an indoor space. Workshops and shows.

For details see our Facebook page:


JonPeat -

The Sheffield Circus Convention 2017 – Review (UK)

My review of the Sheffield Circus Convention is now available for your perusal:

Thank you once again to the organising team for putting on the event. :-)

Cheers, Jon


Orinoco - - Parent

I think fire ukulele would be good. No particular reason, I just always wish they were on fire.

It's Him - - Parent

Fire drums!

Same reasoning. Thankfully there isn't the same amount of drumming happening at BJCs at the start of the millennium it was almost constant.


Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

> Thankfully there isn't the same amount of drumming happening at BJCs at the start of the millennium it was almost constant.

Still there, just drowned out by middle-aged whining ;-)

Orinoco -

New edition of Spectacle now available.

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Scott Seltzer - - Parent

See you tomorrow!

Ruben Schlensok -

Nice forum for german diabolo-players and jugglers:

Orinoco -

Latest act from the Raw Art stable:

Performers are Anatoliy Ignatov & Valeriy Ganzyuk. Anyone know if Anatoliy is a relation of the Sergei's?

The Void -

Some nice footwork.

lukeburrage - - Parent

That's one of the most exhausting-looking juggling sequence I've ever seen.

Scott Seltzer -

OMG, are you missing the IJA 70th Annual Festival that started this week? Well, you can read all about it on eJuggle with updates daily:

Mike Moore - - Parent

Finally read through these and enjoyed them (especially the silly snippits) very much. "Only at a juggling festival can you get hit in the head with a flying object someone else has thrown, apologize for getting in the way and actually mean it."

Little Paul - - Parent

Whoever wrote that is clearly not a Brit

Orinoco - - Parent

I remember at the EJC in Carvin 2004 my friend Dave & I attended a takeout workshop. One of the moves involved clawing a club out of the pattern from above, swinging it behind you at arms length in a full circle to place back in the pattern from above. I on't know where he came from but at precisely the wrong moment a chap appeared from nowhere & took one of Dave's wild swings to the face. This was followed by a competition to see who could apologise the most.

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